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The Stephen Strasburg phenomenon just keeps picking up steam. Frequent BA contributor Kirk Kenney has started a blog to monitor San Diego-area baseball in general and Strasburg in particular, and he reported Friday that the San Diego State ace touched 102 mph seven times in his 16-strikeout performance against Nevada. Kirk said that information came from the Aztecs’ coaches, and that they said their radar gun has typically been slower than scouts’ guns, not the other way around. Kenney said a scout he talked to Friday had Strasburg up to 101 on his Stalker gun early in the game, but he put his gun away by the middle innings.

 

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Assuming his arm doesn't explode, the Nats should be forced to draft and pay him. If not they might as well contract that team.

 

To be fair, Minnesota Twins were talking about being contracted in 2001. They didn't choose Mark Prior because of his contract demands.

 

 

How'd that turn out?

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Well my point is that I think Strasburg will experience major shoulder surgery at some point in the near future, or at the very least, tommy john. His mechanics aren't outstanding like Prior's (were supposed to be...) and his delivery is similar to Prior's in that he puts a ton of stress on his labrum and he throws in excess of 95+ consistently (ie TJ likelihood). You'd think that Strasburg was a bigger risk than Prior, health-wise. That being said, in 2001 there were three guys who were once in a decade type prospects (Mauer, Teixeira and Prior). There's a significant drop off after Strasburg. Perhaps if a freak of nature like Bryce Harper was in this draft, you'd be able to go either way. There just isn't a guy like that.
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Well my point is that I think Strasburg will experience major shoulder surgery at some point in the near future, or at the very least, tommy john. His mechanics aren't outstanding like Prior's (were supposed to be...) and his delivery is similar to Prior's in that he puts a ton of stress on his labrum and he throws in excess of 95+ consistently (ie TJ likelihood). You'd think that Strasburg was a bigger risk than Prior, health-wise. That being said, in 2001 there were three guys who were once in a decade type prospects (Mauer, Teixeira and Prior). There's a significant drop off after Strasburg. Perhaps if a freak of nature like Bryce Harper was in this draft, you'd be able to go either way. There just isn't a guy like that.

 

Must have been a short decade.

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at their position*

 

There hasn't been a HS catcher like Mauer....well ever and there isn't one on the near horizon.

There hasn't been a RHP prospect like Prior...since Clemens, if even then. And Strasburg's still a cut below.

There hasn't been a college 1B prospect like Tex since...and there isn't one in college now.

 

Bryce Harper could be the best HS OF prospect since Josh Hamilton. Jameson Tallion could be the best HS RHP prospect since Josh Beckett, but *shudder* he could be unsignable. Though he needs some work on his secondary pitches. I'll probably get out and see him Tuesday.

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Bryce Harper is no longer a catcher?
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He goes C/OF right now. With his size, speed and arm strength, he's projected to end up a prototypical 5-tool OF. He's also the next Boras phenom. Tallion is already a Rice commit and has had his eyes on attending Rice since he was in diapers. Rice almost never loses its comments, no matter who they are.
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Harper went in the 8th overall in the prospect draft of my fantasy league. I think people are getting a little too into the hype.(You can only keep a max of 10 prospects on your prospect roster at any time)
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It sucks cause in today's age power pitchers like this kid always end up on the surgery table. When it comes to sport medicine, i think sports has regressed. I mean Bob Gibson probably hit 95+ consistently back in the day and yet never had surgery and pitched about 470 games. Nowadays you'll be lucky if a power pitcher gets you 150 games in his career. I mean either today's pitchers are such girls when it comes to injuries or modern sports medicine has messed with genetics to the point where we're more fragile. I mean before Tommy John, how many pitchers actually had surgery, were forced to retired because of injury, switched to reliever because of arm trouble, or experience DL time because of shoulder or elbow soreness.
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It sucks cause in today's age power pitchers like this kid always end up on the surgery table. When it comes to sport medicine, i think sports has regressed. I mean Bob Gibson probably hit 95+ consistently back in the day and yet never had surgery and pitched about 470 games. Nowadays you'll be lucky if a power pitcher gets you 150 games in his career. I mean either today's pitchers are such girls when it comes to injuries or modern sports medicine has messed with genetics to the point where we're more fragile. I mean before Tommy John, how many pitchers actually had surgery, were forced to retired because of injury, switched to reliever because of arm trouble, or experience DL time because of shoulder or elbow soreness.

There are a huge number of factors at play here. For example, even the guys like Gibson that could throw 95 were able to pace themselves throughout a game because teams put guys at ss, 2b, c and often cf that couldn't hit the ball out of the park if you put it on a tee. In today's game, if you can throw 95, you are doing so to pretty much every hitter because just about every hitter can hurt you.

 

It may be my memory, but I believe the average pitcher in mlb now throws a heck of a lot harder than they used to. Even in the '80's there weren't a lot of guys that hit 90 on the fb all the time, now there are few rhp in baseball that don't average 90. The extra velocity takes its toll. The improvement in sports medicine is helping these guys achieve the extra mph and stay in the game longer than they used to, which makes their failures all the more visible.

 

There are other factors, too, but I don't often hear about the above being talked about all that much in comparison.

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It's not the pitch counts that hurts pitchers. In Strasburg's case he's going to break down simply because he throws the ball in excess of 100 miles an hour consistently. The torque on his elbow and the deceleration is shoulder muscles experience will experience will deteriorate over time. It has very little to do whether or not he throws 100 or 120 pitches a game.

 

 

Again, the reason people think 120+ pitches is damaging has nothing to do with baseball. In fact it occurred....

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It's not the pitch counts that hurts pitchers. In Strasburg's case he's going to break down simply because he throws the ball in excess of 100 miles an hour consistently. The torque on his elbow and the deceleration is shoulder muscles experience will experience will deteriorate over time. It has very little to do whether or not he throws 100 or 120 pitches a game.

 

 

Again, the reason people think 120+ pitches is damaging has nothing to do with baseball. In fact it occurred....

 

So it's going to break down if he repeats this motion consistently over time, but the number of consistent repetitions of this movement over time does not matter.

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on another note,

 

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Everyone knows he's off the charts right now.

 

In some of their defense, Strasburg hasn't faced the quality of competition that they have and Strasburg's K rate will certainly regress. That being said Strasburg was far and away better than the non-Prior prospects, and he's not in Prior's class.

 

So it's going to break down if he repeats this motion consistently over time, but the number of consistent repetitions of this movement over time does not matter.

 

No, the point is that the 120/100 pitch difference isn't significant.

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So you don't buy into the theory that pitches while fatigued do more damage?
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It may be my memory, but I believe the average pitcher in mlb now throws a heck of a lot harder than they used to. Even in the '80's there weren't a lot of guys that hit 90 on the fb all the time, now there are few rhp in baseball that don't average 90. The extra velocity takes its toll. The improvement in sports medicine is helping these guys achieve the extra mph and stay in the game longer than they used to, which makes their failures all the more visible.

 

There are other factors, too, but I don't often hear about the above being talked about all that much in comparison.

 

Tim I want to respectfully disagree with you. In the 80s, yes, there may have been fewer pitchers hitting 90 with the FB, but that was part of the ear of the reduced windup. If you look at footage of Spahn or Gibson pitching they get their whole body into the windup and have a lot more forward momentum going when they release the ball due to the movement of legs and torso. Try it yourself sometime and you realize how much more energy you can get into the ball.

 

That said, people are stronger and better conditioned today than ever thanks to modern training and sports medicine. It is likely that more people do probably throw above 90 than at any time in the past, but people like Feller and Koufax and Gibson were almost certainly well over 90 with the FB.

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It may be my memory, but I believe the average pitcher in mlb now throws a heck of a lot harder than they used to. Even in the '80's there weren't a lot of guys that hit 90 on the fb all the time, now there are few rhp in baseball that don't average 90. The extra velocity takes its toll. The improvement in sports medicine is helping these guys achieve the extra mph and stay in the game longer than they used to, which makes their failures all the more visible.

 

There are other factors, too, but I don't often hear about the above being talked about all that much in comparison.

 

Tim I want to respectfully disagree with you. In the 80s, yes, there may have been fewer pitchers hitting 90 with the FB, but that was part of the ear of the reduced windup. If you look at footage of Spahn or Gibson pitching they get their whole body into the windup and have a lot more forward momentum going when they release the ball due to the movement of legs and torso. Try it yourself sometime and you realize how much more energy you can get into the ball.

 

That said, people are stronger and better conditioned today than ever thanks to modern training and sports medicine. It is likely that more people do probably throw above 90 than at any time in the past, but people like Feller and Koufax and Gibson were almost certainly well over 90 with the FB.

I wasn't arguing that nobody hit 90 consistently back then. I am a firm believer that the top of the talent pyramid is pretty equivalent across eras. However, I'm pretty confident in my statement that there were nowhere near as many guys throwing hard (ave 90+) in the past as there are now.

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In the situation he were to last to Boston or New York, I think both teams would give him that.
No doubt about that. They'll pay what it takes to get a player they want, slot recommendations be damned.

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