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Yeah, I know it's earlier, but it's never too early to start thinking about who the Cubs could add in a trade this July. This is a purely speculative endeavor. While it's clear that some teams are out of the running such as San Francisco and San Diego, other teams are harder to pin. The Brewers are struggling but would likely have to lose a lot more before having a fire sale. The Reds are on the fence as well. The Marlins are surprising people and right in the thick of it. So, I'm just guessing on the teams who would unload and players that could be had.

 

The Cubs biggest need in my opinion is another starting pitcher. While a key injury could change this, I could easily see the Cubs targeting a starter. So, who might we look at?

 

1. A.J. Burnett. A.J. is injury prone, is making a lot of money, and so far has struggled with a 86 ERA+ so far this year. Toronto is floating at 500, so they would likely have to continue to fall before thinking about trading Burnett. Burnett likely would be one of the top starters on the market, so the price could be high. He likely tops my list of obtainable players.

 

2. Rich Harden. Harden is good when healthy, but he's already made one trip to the DL. At the moment, I doubt the A's move him, as they are right in the thick of the AL West race despite Billy Beane selling off more assets this offseason. Also, Harden is signed to an affordable 9 million option for 2009. Beane might seek to deal him, but it's going to take a load of prospects to get him. If he's available, he makes the perfect 1b ace to slot behind Zambrano. I'm not worried about his durability so much as the cost to get him.

 

3. Ben Sheets. Yeah, I know. Not likely. But if the Brewers continue to slide, I think they would have to consider trading Sheets. He has injury concerns just like Harden and Burnett, but imagine a rotation of Zambrano, Sheets, Lilly, and Dempster for the post season and tell me you wouldn't like to have him. It would hurt to send valuable prospects to the rivals to our north, but Sheets would be a tempting player if he's put on the market.

 

4. Vicente Padilla. Risky, risky, risky. The Rangers are bad, and they might be willing to trade Padilla if they got a young starter in return. Padilla is also owed 12 million for 2009 and has a 12 million option for 2010 (1.5 million buy out.) He has decent stuff and has a 129 ERA+ so far this year. Of course, he also had 78 ERA+ last season. He's inconsistent and up and down. He's probably an improvement over Marquis, but I'm not convinced he would do much to help solidify the playoff rotation.

 

5. Kevin Millwood. Millwood is a lot like Padilla. The Rangers could move him, but they may choose not to. He's expensive in that he's owed 11 million for 2009 and 12 million for 2010. He's been less successful than Padilla the past two seasons as well. I'm not sure he's better than the options we currently have, and I'd pass.

 

If the Cubs look to add a bat, I think we would look at CF. There aren't a lot of options there. Milton Bradley could become available. But in reality, there's not much there.

 

The Cubs could look toward Brian Roberts again or maybe another second basemen, but somehow I don't see that as a priority.

 

If a deal is made, I look for it to be in the rotation.

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Am I the only one who believes Hendry/Piniella are beginning to see Dempster as a the "#2 starter" they are looking for? And if they do see Dempster as that (I don't, I see Lilly as a good #3, and Dempster as a good #4), I could see them going after a mediocre Steve Trachsel esque acquisition at the deadline. I hope they go after the "target" at the deadline, but after all, this is still Hendry's Cub, and I could see them going after a mediocre player, instead of a possible impact player.
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Most of the attractive options are SPs who should be available either put up good numbers, but have massive flaws beyond the numbers (Padilla's contract, Harden's injury history), don't strike out enough guys to make you feel all too comfortable with them (hellooooooooooo Jamie Moyer!), play for teams with an insane owner or front office (Daniel Cabrera) or will cost so much in terms of prospects/young players that I sincerely doubt the Cubs have enough ammunition to acquire them (Lincecum, Cain, Sabathia, Olsen).

 

If I had my druthers, I'd happily trade a package involving the top young players in this organization for Sabathia. I'd happily part with a package involving Hill, Gallagher, and Cedeno (among others) for him. However, I think the Indians will be contenders and I also think a number of other teams can trump that package.

 

I think the Cubs will look for a veteran starting pitcher with lots of playoff experience who still has some gas left in the tank. If the Yankees are out of it, I can definitely see Mike Mussina on the Cubs' list. Granted, he's almost 40 years old, but he's doing a decent job in a tough division. Moving to the NL might get his numbers nudged up a tad.

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I'd like Milton Bradley a lot. As I do pretty much every year at this time. As for a starter, are the Cubs really going to give up Gallagher for a guy that may not even be an upgrade next year? I would hope not. I'm sure the Rangers would want Sean for either Padilla or Millwood, as would Toronto for AJB. Last year, the Cubs needed a starter and they went after Steve Trachsel as to not give up too much. I see much of the same this year. Zambrano is a true ace. Lilly has shown he can be relied on again (playoff game aside). If Dempster continues to pitch like a solid #2-3, you have a decent, not great, rotation. But you still have Rich Hill, who was probably better than all of them last year. If he comes back to form, I think the Cubs rotation is good enough....even for a playoff run.

 

I think if the Cubs feel they need a SP, they will again go the cheap route. Maybe Padilla along with Bradley if they don't have to give up Gallagher. Burnett would be nice. He seems like the perfect "change of scenery" type guy.

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as Raw alluded to, i think most of this depends on Rich Hill. if he can put it back together, and i don't see any reason why he won't, then I think the Cubs can/will stick with what thay have in the rotation. if Lilly or Dempster completely fall apart before July 30, maybe that changes. if they did make a move, my top targets (of who I think is available) would be Burnett and Cain.
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Am I the only one who believes Hendry/Piniella are beginning to see Dempster as a the "#2 starter" they are looking for?

 

Ive been thinking that too, but my greatest fear is that hes given a big 3-4 year deal mid season and turns back into Dumpster.

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I guess a lot depends on what happens during the next two months, but looking at the available names while adding in the health and cost factor, I think we're better off taking our chances with Gallagher, Lieber, Hill, Marshall, Marquis, and Hart to go along with Zambrano, Lilly, and Dempster. The White Sox probably will be reasonably close at the deadline, but Vasquez would be a perfect fit. Bradley looks like a great fit assuming Edmonds flops and Johnson stays at his earthly numbers, but otherwise I don't see much need for anything else. Of course, everything is subject to change during the next two months.
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I guess a lot depends on what happens during the next two months, but looking at the available names while adding in the health and cost factor, I think we're better off taking our chances with Gallagher, Lieber, Hill, Marshall, Marquis, and Hart to go along with Zambrano, Lilly, and Dempster. The White Sox probably will be reasonably close at the deadline, but Vasquez would be a perfect fit. Bradley looks like a great fit assuming Edmonds flops and Johnson stays at his earthly numbers, but otherwise I don't see much need for anything else. Of course, everything is subject to change during the next two months.

 

 

I agree. I think the Cubs have enough starting pitching in the minors to cover Marquis if he gets released. IMO though, it'll cost some good young pitching talent to get Bradley thus weakening that strength.

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I'll take either Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum. I'm willing to give Jason Marquis. I should be GM cuz I R goode at trades.
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If they can't get a significant upgrade in the rotation, they may try to add another reliever.

 

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i posted in the game thread today that burnett is who i have been wanting since the offseason

 

i want him BAD

 

What do you think we would have to give up to get him?

 

Would Sean Marshall and Donnie Veal get it done?

 

Or would they want Rich Hill or Sean Gallagher?

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i posted in the game thread today that burnett is who i have been wanting since the offseason

 

i want him BAD

 

What do you think we would have to give up to get him?

 

Would Sean Marshall and Donnie Veal get it done?

 

Or would they want Rich Hill or Sean Gallagher?

 

you know what...i am not terribly familiar with the blue jays system...i know that they currently have a piss poor offense...

 

can someone else help us out here!?

 

maybe pie and something else...i really have no clue what the jays would be interested in, but i also have no doubt that we could swing something for burnett...he is solid...but no top tier...which should make it easier to haggle

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I'll take either Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum. I'm willing to give Jason Marquis. I should be GM cuz I R goode at trades.

 

Cain and Lincecum are 23 and making $950K and $405K. Don't see the Giants pulling the trigger on that one.

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i posted in the game thread today that burnett is who i have been wanting since the offseason

 

i want him BAD

 

What do you think we would have to give up to get him?

 

Would Sean Marshall and Donnie Veal get it done?

 

Or would they want Rich Hill or Sean Gallagher?

In a rational world, Burnett would be priced like a 2-month rental.

 

Lower, actually.

 

His contract is such that if he's good this year, he'll opt out and become a FA, but if he's bad (or gets hurt again), he'll stay in his deal and be owed $24M for the next 2 years.

 

Now whether or not Ricciardi and the Jays will view things that way is unknown. They may tout Burnett as the best starter available, and price him accordingly.

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I'll take either Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum. I'm willing to give Jason Marquis. I should be GM cuz I R goode at trades.

 

Cain and Lincecum are 23 and making $950K and $405K. Don't see the Giants pulling the trigger on that one.

 

I heard on XM the other day that McGowan (sp?) was stepping down. Maybe that leads to some changes in the front office that make them want to cash in one of those guys for a bunch of ML ready talent. Pie, Murton, Marquis and Marshall plus someone like Veal might be pretty tempting. Admittedly, they might have to put Hill in there instead of Marshall but that would still be OK.

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I'll take either Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum. I'm willing to give Jason Marquis. I should be GM cuz I R goode at trades.

 

Cain and Lincecum are 23 and making $950K and $405K. Don't see the Giants pulling the trigger on that one.

 

I heard on XM the other day that McGowan (sp?) was stepping down. Maybe that leads to some changes in the front office that make them want to cash in one of those guys for a bunch of ML ready talent. Pie, Murton, Marquis and Marshall plus someone like Veal might be pretty tempting. Admittedly, they might have to put Hill in there instead of Marshall but that would still be OK.

 

Lincecum is 23, making $450K, is 5 - 1 with a 1.92 ERA and a 1.26 WHIP. The Giants will try to build around him. They are not going to trade him for unproven prospects and a guy with a ERA close to 5 and and a $7 million dollar salary. Also, they have Aaron Rowand in centerfield and given Pie's recent MLB audition, why would they want him?

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Lincecum is 23, making $450K, is 5 - 1 with a 1.92 ERA and a 1.26 WHIP. The Giants will try to build around him. They are not going to trade him for unproven prospects and a guy with a ERA close to 5 and and a $7 million dollar salary. Also, they have Aaron Rowand in centerfield and given Pie's recent MLB audition, why would they want him?

Build around him with what, though? That club is pretty barren at both the ML and MiL levels.

 

Dealing Lincecum represents one of their only opportunities to infuse some talent at several places.

 

I'm not necessarily saying they absolutely should do that, but standing pat figures to get them nowhere.

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The fact that people here actually believe Lincecum is available is comical.

 

Well, he doesn't fit the Giants' profile of 40-year-old has beens. As for Cain, I think he is a pretty good young pitcher, but he's not going to step into the #2 spot in the rotation. For what it would cost for Cain, no thanks.

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