Prior delayed again

wade · March 18, 2006

I respect some of the other opinions, but to me, it comes down to Will Carroll and Steve Stone being right, like always, and the Cubs being wrong, like always. The past repeats itself.

You do realize Steve Stone isn't a doctor, never gives any real solid baseball information when interviewed, usually gives vague answeres to specific questions and has a Paul Bunyan sized axe to grind with the Cubs, right?

Looks like Stoney was right on this one, reguardless of any issues he has with the Cubs. I find it funny that Prior talked about how suprised he was to find out he was injured and claimed that he felt great etc. Not even the most adamant Hendry/Cubs Front office supporters buy that garbage.

Why not just give it up to Carroll for delivering the scoop and move on? The Cubs and their players would be better off not taking everything so personal.

I still don't buy that Carroll's report and Prior's injury are the same thing. I am of the mind that Prior is sore, but he overreacted to said soreness, and he doesn't trust the Cubs medical staff to treat or diagnose everything.

The reason I still think the reports from two weeks ago were probably accurate is that the M.R.I. did show a strain. That's not overreacting to soreness in my opinion.

I think there's a good chance that it hurt him coming in and he and/ or the Cubs tried to work through it first and see if it would go away. That guess would explain the easing into work, the behind closed doors sim games, the internet report, and the subsequent M.R.I.

That said, I readily admit this is just a guess.

Soul · March 18, 2006

I respect some of the other opinions, but to me, it comes down to Will Carroll and Steve Stone being right, like always, and the Cubs being wrong, like always. The past repeats itself.

You do realize Steve Stone isn't a doctor, never gives any real solid baseball information when interviewed, usually gives vague answeres to specific questions and has a Paul Bunyan sized axe to grind with the Cubs, right?

And he is negative about everything so considering he is commenting about the Cubs has a better than average chance of being right even if he has no clue what he is talking about.

Does Stoney speak different on the radio than he does for say his ESPN games? I watched an ESPN game last year and he had nothing but positive things to say about the Cubs -- AND they weren't even playing in the game. There is no doubt in my mind that Stoney is one of the biggest Cubs homers around and it is pretty pathetic that both sides can't let it drop. The Cubs do themselves no good by trying running out of town an analyst who was simply frustrated with a bad team and spoke his mind on the air.

There also seems to be a pattern of publicly disgracing anyone who disagrees with them or whom they don't like. My guess is that once Walker is traded we will hear every negative thing that he has done since donning a Cubs uniform. Maybe they even have video surviellance of him leaving a game early, etc.

Oh, do not get me wrong. The Cubs have become a PR joke, with the way they tend to handle news and react to things.

To answer your question about Stone, he is on WSCR about 3-4 times a week, and is generally critical, snide, and smart alecked about it. I can understand the critical, but it's in the tone of his delivery that smacks of sour grapes and immaturity. Maybe he's playing to his audience/host, since they all tend to be pretty negative about the Cubs. The other thing I don't like is that he typically doesn't offer much insight when he answeres a question.

Well, in Stoney's defense, when he's on WSCR its with Boers & Bernstein. Their whole schtick is to be snide and sarcastic, so Stoney falls right into it each time.

I, too, have had occasion to listen to Stoney's analysis in other forums and he isn't nearly so caustic.

gflore34 · March 18, 2006

Caught Dr. Mike Marshall on the Score this morning, apparently Prior's mechanics are extremely flawed. In Dr. Marshall words "...he's (Prior) pitching himself into oblivion...” The Dr. guarantees that Prior, after undergoing his program for a couple of off seasons, will emerge (pitching related) injury-free for the remainder of his career with the same release velocity. Does the Dr. know what he's talking about or is he just trying to pitch his product?

jjgman21 · March 18, 2006

Caught Dr. Mike Marshall on the Score this morning, apparently Prior's mechanics are extremely flawed. In Dr. Marshall words "...he's (Prior) pitching himself into oblivion...” The Dr. guarantees that Prior, after undergoing his program for a couple of off seasons, will emerge (pitching related) injury-free for the remainder of his career with the same release velocity. Does the Dr. know what he's talking about or is he just trying to pitch his product?

who knows. all we heard the first two years of his career is how picture perfect his mechanics were. a couple years back someone did a study and created a computer simulation of the perfect mechanincs, and the simulation was a carbon copy of Mark Prior.

I read an article last night that blamed pitching injuries on the new philosophy in baseball of limiting long toss to 120 feet when it should extend to at least 200 feet. I am of the belief that every humans physiology is slightly different, and the same thing wouldn't work for every pitcher.

CuseCubFan69 · March 18, 2006

Caught Dr. Mike Marshall on the Score this morning, apparently Prior's mechanics are extremely flawed. In Dr. Marshall words "...he's (Prior) pitching himself into oblivion...” The Dr. guarantees that Prior, after undergoing his program for a couple of off seasons, will emerge (pitching related) injury-free for the remainder of his career with the same release velocity. Does the Dr. know what he's talking about or is he just trying to pitch his product?

Since Tom House is Prior's personal pitching coach I wonder if Marshall is putting House down as well. This is a very interesting subject and I'm curious what direction this will go.

David · March 18, 2006

Caught Dr. Mike Marshall on the Score this morning, apparently Prior's mechanics are extremely flawed. In Dr. Marshall words "...he's (Prior) pitching himself into oblivion...” The Dr. guarantees that Prior, after undergoing his program for a couple of off seasons, will emerge (pitching related) injury-free for the remainder of his career with the same release velocity. Does the Dr. know what he's talking about or is he just trying to pitch his product?

Since Tom House is Prior's personal pitching coach I wonder if Marshall is putting House down as well. This is a very interesting subject and I'm curious what direction this will go.

If I'm not mistaken, this guy has been coming out with this for the past two or three years. Two years ago, I thought he was a lunatic/quack just trying to push his ideas.

Now...well I still think he's nuts, but I'm having my doubts. :shock:

Blueheart05 · March 18, 2006

I respect some of the other opinions, but to me, it comes down to Will Carroll and Steve Stone being right, like always, and the Cubs being wrong, like always. The past repeats itself.

You do realize Steve Stone isn't a doctor, never gives any real solid baseball information when interviewed, usually gives vague answeres to specific questions and has a Paul Bunyan sized axe to grind with the Cubs, right?

And he is negative about everything so considering he is commenting about the Cubs has a better than average chance of being right even if he has no clue what he is talking about.

Does Stoney speak different on the radio than he does for say his ESPN games? I watched an ESPN game last year and he had nothing but positive things to say about the Cubs -- AND they weren't even playing in the game. There is no doubt in my mind that Stoney is one of the biggest Cubs homers around and it is pretty pathetic that both sides can't let it drop. The Cubs do themselves no good by trying running out of town an analyst who was simply frustrated with a bad team and spoke his mind on the air.

There also seems to be a pattern of publicly disgracing anyone who disagrees with them or whom they don't like. My guess is that once Walker is traded we will hear every negative thing that he has done since donning a Cubs uniform. Maybe they even have video surviellance of him leaving a game early, etc.

Oh, do not get me wrong. The Cubs have become a PR joke, with the way they tend to handle news and react to things.

To answer your question about Stone, he is on WSCR about 3-4 times a week, and is generally critical, snide, and smart alecked about it. I can understand the critical, but it's in the tone of his delivery that smacks of sour grapes and immaturity. Maybe he's playing to his audience/host, since they all tend to be pretty negative about the Cubs. The other thing I don't like is that he typically doesn't offer much insight when he answeres a question.

Well, in Stoney's defense, when he's on WSCR its with Boers & Bernstein. Their whole schtick is to be snide and sarcastic, so Stoney falls right into it each time.

I, too, have had occasion to listen to Stoney's analysis in other forums and he isn't nearly so caustic.

You can't blame the hosts because Stone rotates his on-air appearances (he isn't just on with B&B). Yet, he maintains his nasty tone and lack of insight.

Rusch33 · March 18, 2006

When are the MRI results going to be told today?

During the game?

Jon · March 18, 2006

When are the MRI results going to be told today?

During the game?

The MRI results were released Thursday. Here's the article from Cubs.com.

Monco · March 18, 2006

Caught Dr. Mike Marshall on the Score this morning, apparently Prior's mechanics are extremely flawed. In Dr. Marshall words "...he's (Prior) pitching himself into oblivion...” The Dr. guarantees that Prior, after undergoing his program for a couple of off seasons, will emerge (pitching related) injury-free for the remainder of his career with the same release velocity. Does the Dr. know what he's talking about or is he just trying to pitch his product?

I don't know if hes right or wrong but he feels just about all pitchers mechanics are wrong.His philosophy is vastly different from what is currently being taught and feels that he is being blackballed from everyone.Do a search for his website for more insight.

Soul · March 18, 2006

It's so easy to pile on Prior now, after he has had some problems.

And to try and sell books & product off the injury of a player----that's just sick. That idiot should be taken out and beaten with a stick.

CuseCubFan69 · March 18, 2006

Caught Dr. Mike Marshall on the Score this morning, apparently Prior's mechanics are extremely flawed. In Dr. Marshall words "...he's (Prior) pitching himself into oblivion...” The Dr. guarantees that Prior, after undergoing his program for a couple of off seasons, will emerge (pitching related) injury-free for the remainder of his career with the same release velocity. Does the Dr. know what he's talking about or is he just trying to pitch his product?

I don't know if hes right or wrong but he feels just about all pitchers mechanics are wrong.His philosophy is vastly different from what is currently being taught and feels that he is being blackballed from everyone.Do a search for his website for more insight.

I want to read more about Dr. Marshalls techniques. I had his book in my hand one day and thought about it but I didn't buy it. Where is his website?

YearofDaCubs · March 19, 2006

http://www.drmikemarshall.com/

Neuby · March 19, 2006

i'm pretty sure that Prior stopped working with Tom House this offseason. Sadly I'm not sure that was such a good idea.

CuseCubFan69 · March 19, 2006

i'm pretty sure that Prior stopped working with Tom House this offseason. Sadly I'm not sure that was such a good idea.

He was there this off-season from what I've heard.

CuseCubFan69 · March 19, 2006

Caught Dr. Mike Marshall on the Score this morning, apparently Prior's mechanics are extremely flawed. In Dr. Marshall words "...he's (Prior) pitching himself into oblivion...” The Dr. guarantees that Prior, after undergoing his program for a couple of off seasons, will emerge (pitching related) injury-free for the remainder of his career with the same release velocity. Does the Dr. know what he's talking about or is he just trying to pitch his product?

Since Tom House is Prior's personal pitching coach I wonder if Marshall is putting House down as well. This is a very interesting subject and I'm curious what direction this will go.

If I'm not mistaken, this guy has been coming out with this for the past two or three years. Two years ago, I thought he was a lunatic/quack just trying to push his ideas.

Now...well I still think he's nuts, but I'm having my doubts. :shock:

Dr. Marshall mocks House because he got an internet degree to be a Dr. on his website...it's kind of funny he mentioned it.

"Dr. Mike Marshall is once again attacking Mark Prior, Tom House, Larry Rothschild and anyone who doesn't do things Mike Marshall's way. I've (Marshall) been in those crosshairs before--he went so far as to accuse me of plagiarizing his work on two occasions--so I'm going to address this as dispassionately as I can, but you deserve to know the back story.

"What set me off this time? This article is just the latest attack. So let's break this down and then take a look at the work Marshall has done.

"Prior has what I call a 'loop' in his motion," said Marshall, who had a career 3.14 earned-run average even though he rarely reached 90 mph on the speed gun."

"He brings his right hand up close to his ear. When his elbow starts forward, his hand goes back and flies laterally away from his body. That's an incredible amount of stress on the front of his shoulder."

Oddly, Prior has never had a shoulder problem. Achilles? Elbow on two occasions? Sure, but never shoulder. In fact, only the tendonitis in his elbow after adjusting his so-called flawed motion to compensate for the Achilles injury could be called a pitching injury."

Jon · March 19, 2006

Nothing really new today:

Cubs.com[/url]"]Aches and pains: Prior met Saturday with orthopedic specialist Dr. Lewis Yocum and the Cubs medical staff to discuss the next step in his shoulder rehab. Prior has a moderate strain of the subscapularis, which is one of the rotator cuff muscles. He will be shut down for 7-10 days.

"We're going to let it quiet down," Cubs trainer Mark O'Neal said.

Dr. Stephen Gryzlo, the Cubs orthopedic specialist, will be back in town next weekend.

"Basically, we'll re-evaluate at that time to see if we can resume his throwing program," O'Neal said. "Symptomatically, he feels better than he did the last few days. We'll continue to treat it as a strain."

What about determining the cause?

"We're still looking into the cause," O'Neal said. "We're treating it as a subscapularis strain, we'll re-evaluate next week, and hopefully we'll be able to progress."

"There have been times in my career when they couldn't find anything and it still hurt, and there were times when there wasn't anything and it was something," Baker said. "We hope it ends up nothing, like it's been."

Soul · March 19, 2006

Nothing really new today:
Cubs.com[/url]"]Aches and pains: Prior met Saturday with orthopedic specialist Dr. Lewis Yocum and the Cubs medical staff to discuss the next step in his shoulder rehab. Prior has a moderate strain of the subscapularis, which is one of the rotator cuff muscles. He will be shut down for 7-10 days.

"We're going to let it quiet down," Cubs trainer Mark O'Neal said.

Dr. Stephen Gryzlo, the Cubs orthopedic specialist, will be back in town next weekend.

"Basically, we'll re-evaluate at that time to see if we can resume his throwing program," O'Neal said. "Symptomatically, he feels better than he did the last few days. We'll continue to treat it as a strain."

What about determining the cause?

"We're still looking into the cause," O'Neal said. "We're treating it as a subscapularis strain, we'll re-evaluate next week, and hopefully we'll be able to progress."

"There have been times in my career when they couldn't find anything and it still hurt, and there were times when there wasn't anything and it was something," Baker said. "We hope it ends up nothing, like it's been."

Oh God please no, not the dreaded "we're going to let it quiet down" treatment. :?

CuseCubFan69 · March 19, 2006

I wonder if this is the reason why the Cubs didn't trade Prior, because they knew he was hurt.

Monco · March 19, 2006

I wonder if this is the reason why the Cubs didn't trade Prior, because they knew he was hurt.

Or maybe thats why Prior for Tejada wasn't enough.

CuseCubFan69 · March 19, 2006

I wonder if this is the reason why the Cubs didn't trade Prior, because they knew he was hurt.

Or maybe thats why Prior for Tejada wasn't enough.

Possible. It seemed odd that the Cubs (seemed and rumored) to turn down Phillies offer of Abreu then were eager to move Prior for Tejada later on.

Monco · March 19, 2006

Thats because they feel Tejada is one of the 3 best players in the game.Who needs Abreu when we got 3 years of Jacque Jones.

Joe_Cub · March 19, 2006

The guy who runs the 1060 West blog says that "a moderate strain of the subscapularis" = B.S. for "grade 2 tear of the rotator cuff." And that the cubs are blowing smoke up our backends by saying Prior will be back anytime soon. what else is new.

Are there any doctors around who know if it's true?

thanks.

ok I finally got the link brackets to work

Edited March 19, 2006 by Joe_Cub

badger1679666666 · March 19, 2006

The guy who runs the 1060 West blog says that "a moderate strain of the subscapularis" = B.S. for "grade 2 tear of the rotator cuff." And that the cubs are blowing smoke up our backends by saying Prior will be back anytime soon. what else is new.

Are there any doctors around who know if it's true?

thanks.

If what this guy says is true, then blame could squarely fall on Dusty's lap for overworking him in 2003 during his rookie year when he wasn't used to that type of work.

AND if that's true, I hope something very bad happens to Dusty Baker's career.

BWcubs21 · March 19, 2006

The rotator cuff is a group of four muscles (supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, subscapularis) which rotate the humerus and hold the shoulder in place by keeping the humeral head in the proper position inside the glenoid socket.

These muscles allow everyday repetitive motions like scratching behind your head or back, painting, waxing, using hand tools, reaching, and lifting overhead. They are used extensively in athletic activities like throwing a ball, serving a tennis ball and driving a golf ball.

Thus, chronic wear and tear or a fall or collision can cause injury to the rotator cuff. It is not uncommon for a patient to have intermittent shoulder pain for several years which is not completely relieved by rest and anti-inflammatory medication. Symptoms may include pain in the front, side, back or deep inside the shoulder especially with overhead movements. Putting on a bra, shirt or coat may be painful. To properly diagnosis a rotator cuff injury a complete examination of the shoulder and neck must be done.

Injury to the rotator cuff comes in the form of muscle strain and tendonitis. There are three grades of strains. Grade I is a mild tear in the moderate tear which hinders range of motion with mild to moderate pain. Grade II is a moderate tear with a significant loss of range of motion with moderate to severe pain. Grade III is a severe or complete tear of the muscle which severely limits muscle which allows complete or almost complete range of motion with little or no pain. Tendonitis is an inflammation and fraying of the tendon (area where the muscle attaches to the bone).

found this on a website, dont know how to qoute it to the website though.

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