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Reported on Sportscenter by Gammons. Pending physicals.

 

BoSox get: Beckett and Lowell

 

Marlins get: Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, and PTBN

 

Also reported by Star-Telegram

 

The Rangers won’t be getting Josh Beckett after all.

 

According to Major League sources, the Florida Marlins have decided to trade the 25-year-old Beckett to the Boston Red Sox, reportedly for minor league prospects.

 

The Rangers and Marlins had agreed on the principals in a trade that would have brought Beckett and third baseman Mike Lowell to Arlington for third baseman Hank Blalock and one of the Rangers top minor league pitchers — presumably lefthander John Danks.

 

The Marlins, who are once again believed to be engaging in an austerity drive to significantly lower payroll, decided to accept the Red Sox offer, the source said.

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That is a very interesting move.

 

I'm still wondering who is orchestrating the Red Sox moves with no GM in place. Are they asking prospective GM's what they would do in their interviews, and then using those ideas?

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Reported on Sportscenter by Gammons. Pending physicals.

 

BoSox get: Beckett and Lowell

 

Marlins get: Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, and PTBN

 

Also reported by Star-Telegram

 

The Rangers won’t be getting Josh Beckett after all.

 

According to Major League sources, the Florida Marlins have decided to trade the 25-year-old Beckett to the Boston Red Sox, reportedly for minor league prospects.

 

The Rangers and Marlins had agreed on the principals in a trade that would have brought Beckett and third baseman Mike Lowell to Arlington for third baseman Hank Blalock and one of the Rangers top minor league pitchers — presumably lefthander John Danks.

 

The Marlins, who are once again believed to be engaging in an austerity drive to significantly lower payroll, decided to accept the Red Sox offer, the source said.

Great deal for the Red Sox. Lowell is useless, but to get Beckett for two minor leaguers and a PTBNL is fantastic on their part.

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That is a very interesting move.

 

I'm still wondering who is orchestrating the Red Sox moves with no GM in place. Are they asking prospective GM's what they would do in their interviews, and then using those ideas?

 

I think they're using something similar to the Hendry Wheel of Misfortune:

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/eriklj/wheelofmisfortune.jpg

 

 

:lol:

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That is a very interesting move.

 

I'm still wondering who is orchestrating the Red Sox moves with no GM in place. Are they asking prospective GM's what they would do in their interviews, and then using those ideas?

 

I would guess that Epstein's deputy/Ass't GM (whoever it was) is acting GM until a replacement is named. I'm surprised that whoever it is has the power to make moves like that at this time. He must have gotten special approval on that one from Lucchino.

 

Florida is going to regret this trade for years to come, IMHO.

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Anyone else think Lowell with turn things around playing 81 games in Fenway now? I look for him to be good next year getting out of Dolphin Stadium.
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Anyone else think Lowell with turn things around playing 81 games in Fenway now? I look for him to be good next year getting out of Dolphin Stadium.

 

Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking. He has the potential of being a .290 35HR guy in Fenway, especially when hitting in the same lineup as Big Pappi and ManRam!

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Great deal for the Red Sox. Lowell is useless, but to get Beckett for two minor leaguers and a PTBNL is fantastic on their part.

 

I'm not sure Lowell is useless to a team like Boston. His 2005 numbers were abysmal, but prior to that he was as good or better than Bill Mueller, and, I believe he was better defensively. They could still turn around and deal Lowell to a team desperate for 3B help, especially if they eat some salary.

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Great deal for the Red Sox. Lowell is useless, but to get Beckett for two minor leaguers and a PTBNL is fantastic on their part.

 

I'm not sure Lowell is useless to a team like Boston. His 2005 numbers were abysmal, but prior to that he was as good or better than Bill Mueller, and, I believe he was better defensively. They could still turn around and deal Lowell to a team desperate for 3B help, especially if they eat some salary.

 

Boston isn't a team to play guys hoping for a rebound year. I bet they flip him to MN for a PTBNL, depending on how much $ they have to pick up in the deal.

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Florida is going to regret this trade for years to come, IMHO.

 

Maybe they will, but Florida isn't the type of team that can live with a Kerry Wood like contract situation, paying uber millions for an injured pitcher. Josh has never thrown 200 innings, his career high was the 179 from this year, which was also his best season. He's 2 years from free agency, but they might have decided to minimize their risk and get the best they could get now, before paying big arbitration money, and instead of risking he gets injured again this coming season and has less trade value.

 

A team in dire financial straits has a greater need to spread the wealth around when it comes to player contracts. They could have afforded Beckett this season, but perhaps not the following season, and almost certainly not from 2008 on. And whenever you can get rid of that big committment to an underperforming player like Lowell, you do it.

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Florida is going to regret this trade for years to come, IMHO.

 

Maybe they will, but Florida isn't the type of team that can live with a Kerry Wood like contract situation, paying uber millions for an injured pitcher. Josh has never thrown 200 innings, his career high was the 179 from this year, which was also his best season. He's 2 years from free agency, but they might have decided to minimize their risk and get the best they could get now, before paying big arbitration money, and instead of risking he gets injured again this coming season and has less trade value.

 

A team in dire financial straits has a greater need to spread the wealth around when it comes to player contracts. They could have afforded Beckett this season, but perhaps not the following season, and almost certainly not from 2008 on. And whenever you can get rid of that big committment to an underperforming player like Lowell, you do it.

 

They could have done better than Hanley "Boston's next great SS for the last 5 years" Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez. I don't question trading Beckett, considering his health and their finances. But guys like that don't come around very often, and they were in the drivers seat. They didn't even have him on the market that long. Had they kept haggling with teams, seeing what they could have gotten, they could have gotten a better deal by the time the winter meetings rolled around. I don't see a reason for them to have pulled the trigger on this that quickly.

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Boston isn't a team to play guys hoping for a rebound year.

 

I don't know about that. They signed Renteria clearly hoping for a rebound year. They signed Millar hoping to a return to the 900 OPS range.

 

They clearly had rebound in mind when they got Damon. Ortiz wasn't necessarily a rebound, but they were expecting an emergence after a few years of stagnant mediocrity got him non-tendered in Minnesota.

 

Bellhorn was a cheaper rebound project. I would call both the Clement and Wade Miller signings as hope for a rebound type acquisition.

 

I'm sure they'll try and flip him if they can. But they aren't going to eat all the money and get back nothing. Boston can find value in a guy like Lowell, and part of that value might be hoping for a rebound.

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Florida is going to regret this trade for years to come, IMHO.

 

Maybe they will, but Florida isn't the type of team that can live with a Kerry Wood like contract situation, paying uber millions for an injured pitcher. Josh has never thrown 200 innings, his career high was the 179 from this year, which was also his best season. He's 2 years from free agency, but they might have decided to minimize their risk and get the best they could get now, before paying big arbitration money, and instead of risking he gets injured again this coming season and has less trade value.

 

A team in dire financial straits has a greater need to spread the wealth around when it comes to player contracts. They could have afforded Beckett this season, but perhaps not the following season, and almost certainly not from 2008 on. And whenever you can get rid of that big committment to an underperforming player like Lowell, you do it.

 

You're absolutely right. The Marlins have to play the offseason game a bit differently than other teams. And the 2 World Series titles seem to indicate they do a pretty good job at it. It took a few years after the initial Marlins fire sale, but they built back up a young base of cheap talent (Pudge not withstanding) and won it. I think they'll be making noise again before too long.

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They could have done better than Hanley "Boston's next great SS for the last 5 years" Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez. I don't question trading Beckett, considering his health and their finances. But guys like that don't come around very often, and they were in the drivers seat. They didn't even have him on the market that long. Had they kept haggling with teams, seeing what they could have gotten, they could have gotten a better deal by the time the winter meetings rolled around. I don't see a reason for them to have pulled the trigger on this that quickly.

 

I would have taken Blalock no doubt. However, my bet is Boston was more willing to take on financial obligations than others. And when your motivation is cash , sometimes it's not the wisest thing to turn down the money.

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Wow. Great trade for Boston. They get a #1 starter and a 3B that will rebound playing in a bunch of hitter friendly AL East parks for 1 guy that's been can't miss for 3 years and a P prospect.
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Renteria had a great season before he was signed...

 

Are you kidding me? He lost 150 OPS points from 2003 to 2004, marking the second lowest OBP and OPS of his career at the time. He was terrible for a very long stretch in 2004.

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Boston isn't a team to play guys hoping for a rebound year.

 

I don't know about that. They signed Renteria clearly hoping for a rebound year. They signed Millar hoping to a return to the 900 OPS range.

 

They clearly had rebound in mind when they got Damon. Ortiz wasn't necessarily a rebound, but they were expecting an emergence after a few years of stagnant mediocrity got him non-tendered in Minnesota.

 

Bellhorn was a cheaper rebound project. I would call both the Clement and Wade Miller signings as hope for a rebound type acquisition.

 

I'm sure they'll try and flip him if they can. But they aren't going to eat all the money and get back nothing. Boston can find value in a guy like Lowell, and part of that value might be hoping for a rebound.

 

They have been that kind of team in the past, but after winning the series, and after being right there with the hated Yanks this year, and with their payroll, I can't see them doing to much of that vs going for the sure things. I could be wrong, but I don't see them fishing for comeback players this year. (no pun intended)

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