Harvey

minnesotacubsfan · August 17, 2006

I've only passively been watching his stats, but how has he been doing lately? it seems as if he has been turning it on. Does anyone forsee a 2008 call-up, or am I totally imagining his resurgance?

Soriano12 · August 17, 2006

I just hope he isn't the next Brooks Kiechsnek(sp?)

goonys evil twin · August 17, 2006

I've only passively been watching his stats, but how has he been doing lately? it seems as if he has been turning it on. Does anyone forsee a 2008 call-up, or am I totally imagining his resurgance?

It seems to me that he's been playing better, but not good enough to make his horrible season look better. I'm going to guess he'll get called up at some point, similar to how the Cubs eventually called up Kelton even though he was a huge disappointment following his one good season (although even he was better than Harvey has been). 2008 might be a bit early, but that to would be on pace to follow in the footsteps of Kelton. I'd hope that Harvey has a great year next season, and I'm guessing they'll send him to AA even though he really hasn't "earned" it. So if he does have a great year in AA, then he can start AAA in 2008 and get called up late. But the odds of him being any good in the majors are still quite long. Maybe he can develop into a power hitting bench player who sticks around for a while. But his k rate and lack of walks indicates he'll never be good enough to start everyday. Then again, the Cubs don't see interested in fielding an OF filled with guys who are good enough to start everyday.

karenmac · August 17, 2006

all I know is that, defensively, in RF last year, he spoiled us here in Peoria (as did Sam Fuld in CF). He could get to just about anything and had a rocket of an arm...there were very few that tried to get a double out of a long single only to get thrown out. Jesus Valdez hasn't been bad (although hasn't been as good either) and Yusuf Carter's bat hasn't made up for his lousy defense yet IMO

I'm glad his bat has come alive, to be sure...but I think a lot of folks have discounted his defensive skill.

minnesotacubsfan · August 17, 2006

I'm glad his bat has come alive, to be sure...but I think a lot of folks have discounted his defensive skill.

this makes me think Hendry will call him up. He can really "catch the ball"

goonys evil twin · August 17, 2006

I'm glad his bat has come alive, to be sure...but I think a lot of folks have discounted his defensive skill.

this makes me think Hendry will call him up. He can really "catch the ball"

He can catch the ball and can't take a walk. He's perfect for Hendry.

TXCubsFan · August 17, 2006

I'm glad his bat has come alive, to be sure...but I think a lot of folks have discounted his defensive skill.

this makes me think Hendry will call him up. He can really "catch the ball"

He can catch the ball and can't take a walk. He's perfect for Hendry.

If he can get his IsoD up to 0.40 or better with a strong SLG, he might make a nice 6th hitter in the lineup. There still may be hope for him.

Laura · August 17, 2006

I'm glad his bat has come alive, to be sure...but I think a lot of folks have discounted his defensive skill.

this makes me think Hendry will call him up. He can really "catch the ball"

Harvey can really throw the ball, too.

They promoted Dopirak after his rough Daytona stint and he seemed to respond favorably even given the big setback with his foot injury and ongoing problems related to it.

Harvey's turnaround has been dramatic. As others have noted, his BB/K ratio is still alarming and creates a lot of doubt. But it's nice to see him battling back.

goonys evil twin · August 17, 2006

Harvey's turnaround has been dramatic.

I've never seen that site before, thanks.

CaliforniaRaisin · August 17, 2006

Harvey's BB/K rate continues to be horrid during his hot stretch, which is very disappointing. In fact, it got worse in July (2/29 when he was hitting .305) before improving halfway through August. The one good thing I keep hearing and reading about is that his turnaround has coincided with a new, shorter swing. He has needed to do that for a long time now. Perhaps that's the first step in an all around improvement. I'm still not confident he won't be a AA flameout...

Laura · August 17, 2006

Do you think they'll have him start in Daytona or AA next season?

CaliforniaRaisin · August 17, 2006

Do you think they'll have him start in Daytona or AA next season?

They'll start him at AA. I'd start him at Daytona and be ready with a quick promotion.

CaliforniaRaisin · August 17, 2006

BA's Daily Dish[/url]"]• Cubs outfielder Ryan Harvey hit a game-winning home run in the top of the 12th inning in high Class A Daytona's 5-4 victory against Sarasota, spoiling a big day by Reds shortstop Paul Janish. The 21-year-old Harvey's towering homer to left field was his 19th of the year, continuing his second-half turnaround. After batting .173 through the first two months of the season, Harvey hit .257 in June, then .316 in July with nine home runs, and is now hitting .382 through 15 games in August.

There's no way Ryan can keep that .382 BA. Hopefully this hot streak is at least partially due to the change in his swing so when he cools down, he doesn't return to the sub-.200 BAs of April and May.

goonys evil twin · August 17, 2006

Unforunately he's probably going to have to at least hit .290 to have keep from being a back breaking out machine.

KingCubsFan · August 17, 2006

Any reason why his home numbers are so much better than his road numbers? I don't remember Daytona's stadium being known as a hitter's park, but those are some serious splits.

abuck1220 · August 17, 2006

looks like a two cent jeff francouer may be his ceiling.

wow, what a weird july. it's hard to OPS .969 and have a 29/2 k/bb rate. that's a good site though.

Mephistopheles · August 17, 2006

Going into this season:

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/weighted_park_factors_2003_2005/

 R        H   	  2B       HR       BB       SO  
1.12 	 1.03 	 0.79 	 1.43 	 0.91 	 0.96

UBlink · August 17, 2006

Any reason why his home numbers are so much better than his road numbers? I don't remember Daytona's stadium being known as a hitter's park, but those are some serious splits.

Wow - those are some serious home-away splits. I had been looking at Craig's and thought they were pretty dramatic (962/700 OPS) , but Harvey really likes that home cooking (902/527 OPS).

I know the FSL is considered a strong pitcher's league, maybe Daytona is just an average park.

phildouglas7 · August 17, 2006

Why on earth do people continue to bash Ryan Harvey? He is second in the FSL in home runs (19) second in RBI (77) and is hitting .253 this season. While the average isn't all that impressive, keep in mind that the Florida State League is considered by many as a "pitchers league." It is the same league thay Ryan Howard hit 23 homers in and drove in 83 on his way to being an MVP candidate. It is the same league that Derek Jeter committed 39 errors in on his way to gold gloves.

Ryan Harvey is ONLY 21 years old, and is making a push toward Double-A as we speak. How does the best power hitter in the league not have numbers to warrent such a promotion? Also remember that with the weather in Fla., bats usually cool down in July/August not heat up like Harvey's has done. Ryan Howard made his MLB debeut at 26, that mean's 21-year olds like Harvey still have a lot of time. You'd be foolish to give up on him now...

Mephistopheles · August 17, 2006

People don't rip Ryan Harvey's power. People rip Ryan Harvey's ability to not hit the baseball. Park effects and league considerations be damned - they only affect the ball if you can hit it. Harvey can't.

Transmogrified Tiger · August 17, 2006

Why on earth do people continue to bash Ryan Harvey? He is second in the FSL in home runs (19) second in RBI (77) and is hitting .253 this season. While the average isn't all that impressive, keep in mind that the Florida State League is considered by many as a "pitchers league." It is the same league thay Ryan Howard hit 23 homers in and drove in 83 on his way to being an MVP candidate. It is the same league that Derek Jeter committed 39 errors in on his way to gold gloves.

Ryan Harvey is ONLY 21 years old, and is making a push toward Double-A as we speak. How does the best power hitter in the league not have numbers to warrent such a promotion? Also remember that with the weather in Fla., bats usually cool down in July/August not heat up like Harvey's has done. Ryan Howard made his MLB debeut at 26, that mean's 21-year olds like Harvey still have a lot of time. You'd be foolish to give up on him now...

If Harvey cannot improve on his plate discipline, he's not going to be a productive major leaguer. It's as simple as that, unless he finds a way to be able to hit .315 consistently at the major league level.

abuck1220 · August 17, 2006

Why on earth do people continue to bash Ryan Harvey? He is second in the FSL in home runs (19) second in RBI (77) and is hitting .253 this season. While the average isn't all that impressive, keep in mind that the Florida State League is considered by many as a "pitchers league." It is the same league thay Ryan Howard hit 23 homers in and drove in 83 on his way to being an MVP candidate. It is the same league that Derek Jeter committed 39 errors in on his way to gold gloves.

Ryan Harvey is ONLY 21 years old, and is making a push toward Double-A as we speak. How does the best power hitter in the league not have numbers to warrent such a promotion? Also remember that with the weather in Fla., bats usually cool down in July/August not heat up like Harvey's has done. Ryan Howard made his MLB debeut at 26, that mean's 21-year olds like Harvey still have a lot of time. You'd be foolish to give up on him now...

howard also walked 50 times that season and had an OBP of .370+.

CaliforniaRaisin · August 17, 2006

Any reason why his home numbers are so much better than his road numbers? I don't remember Daytona's stadium being known as a hitter's park, but those are some serious splits.

Wow - those are some serious home-away splits. I had been looking at Craig's and thought they were pretty dramatic (962/700 OPS) , but Harvey really likes that home cooking (902/527 OPS).

I know the FSL is considered a strong pitcher's league, maybe Daytona is just an average park.

Shorter distance down the lines and to straight away LF and RF at Jackie Robinson than most any other FSL ballpark. But the onshore breezes can also have a negative effect on hitters at the Jack.

CaliforniaRaisin · August 17, 2006

Why on earth do people continue to bash Ryan Harvey? He is second in the FSL in home runs (19) second in RBI (77) and is hitting .253 this season. While the average isn't all that impressive, keep in mind that the Florida State League is considered by many as a "pitchers league." It is the same league thay Ryan Howard hit 23 homers in and drove in 83 on his way to being an MVP candidate. It is the same league that Derek Jeter committed 39 errors in on his way to gold gloves.

Ryan Harvey is ONLY 21 years old, and is making a push toward Double-A as we speak. How does the best power hitter in the league not have numbers to warrent such a promotion? Also remember that with the weather in Fla., bats usually cool down in July/August not heat up like Harvey's has done. Ryan Howard made his MLB debeut at 26, that mean's 21-year olds like Harvey still have a lot of time. You'd be foolish to give up on him now...

The concern is with his bat, his defense is fine so the Jeter comparison is pointless. RBI totals are not a good way to judge a player, even more so in the minors than the majors. Howard had much better plate discipline and wasn't killed by breaking pitches low and away. Despite Harvey's good play of late, his plate discipline has been bad and he hasn't shown much improvement on said breaking pitches. He's going to be eaten alive at AA (the SL is another pitcher's league) with smarter, better pitchers. His power is fantastic, but he's not much of a prospect if he doesn't make more contact (and start laying off on the pitches he can't hit).

Jehrico · August 17, 2006

Why on earth do people continue to bash Ryan Harvey? He is second in the FSL in home runs (19) second in RBI (77) and is hitting .253 this season. While the average isn't all that impressive, keep in mind that the Florida State League is considered by many as a "pitchers league." It is the same league thay Ryan Howard hit 23 homers in and drove in 83 on his way to being an MVP candidate. It is the same league that Derek Jeter committed 39 errors in on his way to gold gloves.

Ryan Harvey is ONLY 21 years old, and is making a push toward Double-A as we speak. How does the best power hitter in the league not have numbers to warrent such a promotion? Also remember that with the weather in Fla., bats usually cool down in July/August not heat up like Harvey's has done. Ryan Howard made his MLB debeut at 26, that mean's 21-year olds like Harvey still have a lot of time. You'd be foolish to give up on him now...

You can't call a league in the minors a pitchers league based on historical stats, as all of those pitchers that made it that way have been promoted.

Also for every Jeter, there are 99 other guys who commit that many errors and never make it past AA. Same with Howard.

I agree that there's too much bashing going on with Harvey, but I also agree that if he wants to become a productive major leaguer, he seriously needs to learn alot more patience. While he recent performance is pleasing, there's still alot of opportunity for growth that needs to take place before he gets his superstar prospect status back.

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