Carl Crawford

jmajew · September 26, 2006

Would the Mets consider trading another high-end young starter such as Phil Humber or Mike Pelfrey to the Devil Rays and risk a sequel to the Scott Kazmir blunder? They will get the chance to think about it since Tampa intends to dangle Carl Crawford in attempts to land a pitcher with top-of-the-rotation abilities.
-- New York Post

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/09/26/truth.rumors.mlb/index.html

I just thought it was interesting that Carl Crawford would be available. He coudl be someone the Cubs would look at to replace Pierre in CF. Then when Pie is ready move him to RF.

His stats. 303 BA/345OBP/480 SLG/825 OPS/56 SB/ 9 CS

The last two stats add up to a 86% success rate compared to Pierre's 74%.

vance_the_cubs_fan · September 26, 2006

Hill for Crawford? If they want one with top of the rotation ability, it would likely be Hill.

frostwyrm · September 26, 2006

With Pie so close I wouldn't get in the bidding for Crawford. We just need a stopgap in CF.

rawaction · September 26, 2006

I'm a huge Crawford fan. I think he's a year away from super-stardom. I believe he will be an .875 OPS hitter next year and a future .900 type player. I'd love to get him and have him hit 2nd, with a higher OBP player leadoff.

I fully expect a .320 BA, 30 HR season from him next year, especially if he has a better, more consistent lineup around him.

jmajew · September 26, 2006

With Pie so close I wouldn't get in the bidding for Crawford. We just need a stopgap in CF.

I thought that at first too. But an outfield for the next 5-10 years of Murton, Pie, Crawford looks pretty darn good to me.

With regards to Vance saying they'd want Hill. I was thinking maybe they'd take either Veal or Gallagher in a package with some other prospects as well. Not really sure though.

soccer10k · September 26, 2006

I'm a huge Crawford fan. I think he's a year away from super-stardom. I believe he will be an .875 OPS hitter next year and a future .900 type player. I'd love to get him and have him hit 2nd, with a higher OBP player leadoff.

I fully expect a .320 BA, 30 HR season from him next year, especially if he has a better, more consistent lineup around him.

I, too, would love to have Carl Crawford. Oh yeah, and he's only 25.

frostwyrm · September 26, 2006

With Pie so close I wouldn't get in the bidding for Crawford. We just need a stopgap in CF.

I thought that at first too. But an outfield for the next 5-10 years of Murton, Pie, Crawford looks pretty darn good to me.

With regards to Vance saying they'd want Hill. I was thinking maybe they'd take either Veal or Gallagher in a package with some other prospects as well. Not really sure though.

Crawford will be more expensive than that. To get him we'd have to give up someone we'd hate to lose for 2007.

Transmogrified Tiger · September 26, 2006

I don't understand the logic in moving Pie to RF. He only fits well offensively there in his best case projection. I'm not saying that because Pie is around, don't go after Crawford, but if you do get Crawford then you can use Pie in that deal or another deal.

RockTheIvy · September 26, 2006

I don't understand the logic in moving Pie to RF. He only fits well offensively there in his best case projection. I'm not saying that because Pie is around, don't go after Crawford, but if you do get Crawford then you can use Pie in that deal or another deal.

I agree. I think if we could land someone like Crawford, or Wells, or maybe even Jones, we should explore trading Pie. Think if we could get Crawford and then use Pie and Murton to try to get Manny?

Ding Dong Johnson · September 26, 2006

Hill for Crawford? If they want one with top of the rotation ability, it would likely be Hill.

Hill is already part of the ARod deal.

Balsa · September 26, 2006

I don't understand the logic in moving Pie to RF. He only fits well offensively there in his best case projection. I'm not saying that because Pie is around, don't go after Crawford, but if you do get Crawford then you can use Pie in that deal or another deal.

I agree. I think if we could land someone like Crawford, or Wells, or maybe even Jones, we should explore trading Pie. Think if we could get Crawford and then use Pie and Murton to try to get Manny?

Works for me.

I'd rather have Crawford than Pie most any day.

CubinNY · September 27, 2006

Holy snikes. If Crawford is going to be available I'd give up any two of Hill, Marshall, Pie, Pawelek, Gallagher, or Veal.

The Cubs could put Crawford in either LF or RF if/when Pie is ready. I'm not ready to hold any position for Pie, yet.

Laura · September 27, 2006

yes, please

imb · September 27, 2006

I'd trade for Crawford now, put him in CF until Pie was ready, and then move him to a corner when Pie comes up.

His adjusted ops has to be above .900, plenty high for a corner guy.

RichHillIsABeast · September 27, 2006

Does anyone want to trade a pitcher with top of the rotation stuff for a CFer? Are you serious? We have a CF option coming up in Pie. He is not a RFer. What a waste.

Our rotation is problematic enough without tearing another hole in it.

CubinNY · September 27, 2006

Does anyone want to trade a pitcher with top of the rotation stuff for a CFer? Are you serious? We have a CF option coming up in Pie. He is not a RFer. What a waste.

Our rotation is problematic enough without tearing another hole in it.

Are you kidding? Crawford would be fixture for the better part of decade. At 25 he's already one of the top outfielders in the game.

There is no guarentee that Pie will make it. And he'd have to go a long way to make to the level that Crawford is at already. Crawford is the proverbeal 5-tool player.

If Pie does make it the Cubs can move Crawford to either corner position.

RockTheIvy · September 27, 2006

Does anyone want to trade a pitcher with top of the rotation stuff for a CFer? Are you serious? We have a CF option coming up in Pie. He is not a RFer. What a waste.

Our rotation is problematic enough without tearing another hole in it.

Are you kidding? Crawford would be fixture for the better part of decade. At 25 he's already one of the top outfielders in the game.

There is no guarentee that Pie will make it. And he'd have to go a long way to make to the level that Crawford is at already. Crawford is the proverbeal 5-tool player.

If Pie does make it the Cubs can move Crawford to either corner position.

Preach on, brothaman.

RammyFanny · September 27, 2006

Even if it would only take Hill, do we really want to have to add another SP in the offseason?

That said, i'd still be really tempted, and probably would anyways :D

beowulf28 · September 27, 2006

Does anyone want to trade a pitcher with top of the rotation stuff for a CFer? Are you serious? We have a CF option coming up in Pie. He is not a RFer. What a waste.

Our rotation is problematic enough without tearing another hole in it.

I'll take Crawford over Pie anyday. With Crawford, you know what you're getting. Pie's not established yet. Yikes! I think that's already been said! :oops:

Warpticon · September 27, 2006

Crawford is basically what we hope for Pie to be 3-4 years down the line. I wouldnt' have a problem with getting a guy with his upside at all.

RichHillIsABeast · September 27, 2006

Does anyone want to trade a pitcher with top of the rotation stuff for a CFer? Are you serious? We have a CF option coming up in Pie. He is not a RFer. What a waste.

Our rotation is problematic enough without tearing another hole in it.

Are you kidding? Crawford would be fixture for the better part of decade. At 25 he's already one of the top outfielders in the game.

There is no guarentee that Pie will make it. And he'd have to go a long way to make to the level that Crawford is at already. Crawford is the proverbeal 5-tool player.

If Pie does make it the Cubs can move Crawford to either corner position.

They want a top of the rotation starter. That means a #1 or #2 starter. Which give you more wins? Not the position player, that's for sure. We don't have someone who can step in and fill that #2 spot if Hill or whoever is dealt. There are CF options out there that only cost us money and don't unplug one hole in the damn to fill another. Are they as good as Crawford now or in the long term? No, but the net effect on the team is more wins w/o Crawford (as the team stands today).

I like Crawford, no doubt. His obp is a little low, but he has other skills that make up for it. His CS% is very acceptable as is his defense. He has affordable club options through 2010 i believe. I wouldn't cry too much if we swapped the likes of Hill (and some other middle prospects) for Crawford b/c that's ok for the long term future as Gallagher, Veal, and Pawalek are on the way. OK long term move for a 100 million team. Poor move for 2007 and Hendry's clock is ticking. I doubt Hendry gets Crawford for the current asking price.

Pie will make it. Whether or not he reaches is ceiling is debateable, but barring some freak injury (same could happen to Crawford) he'll be in the bigs soon enough.

You don't see top pitching prospects moved much. Remember Kazmir? That went real well. I threw Hill's name out there, but more likely it's Veal who gets moved (Younger, probably higher ceiling).

Veal for Delmon Young? Done.

CubsWin · September 27, 2006

I don't move Hill for Crawford. Just because they say they want a "top of the rotation guy" for Carl doesn't mean that they should or will get one, certainly not one that is currently in the big leagues. I would trade a prospect or two that has that kind of ceiling, but not a pitcher that is currently a fixture in my rotation.

Gallagher get the job done? Would you rather trade Pawelek? Would you be willing to throw in Guzman or Marmol along with one of the previously named pitchers? I'd hold onto Veal right now.

I agree that Crawford's power potential should be good enough for RF in the coming years and he can easily hold down CF until Pie is ready. A future outfield of Murton, Pie and Crawford sounds inviting. Mix in Ramirez, Lee and Barrett and you can score some runs even with Cedeno and Patterson up the middle. A future rotation of Z, Hill, Veal and possibly Prior doesn't look to bad either.

imb · September 27, 2006

The Kazmir trade was awful for different reasons, Zambrano is a terrible pitcher.

September 27, 2006

this reminds me of when people didn't want to trade patterson for beltran.

CubsWin · September 27, 2006

Now that I think about it, if you are going to go with an outfield of Murton, Pie and Crawford, it probably would be best to put Pie in RF even though value-wise you would want him CF. His arm is much better suited for RF and Crawford doesn't have much of a throwing arm.

Man, a lot of ground could be covered between those two. After checking the numbers, Pie's power could certainly still develop the way Crawford's has. Pie's power numbers equal or surpass Crawford's in the minors and their ages and levels are pretty comparable.

Food for thought.

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