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Postby Soul » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:26 am

BeertownCubbie wrote:I've never heard of Charter


4th largest in the nation. DirecTV made a big deal out of the fact that they filed for Chpt 11 a year or so ago.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:36 am

I tried to get Comcast to cut me a new deal yesterday by talking up how I was going to RCN. They knocked about $25 a month off of my triple play package for the next year. I think I should have held out for more.
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Postby Soul » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:40 am

Someone should start up a website that details exactly what you say, which options to choose, etc for each cable company to get them to give you a discount.
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Postby hardcorecubfan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:42 am

It is amazing that , as americans, we accept what cable companies do. The charge us for their product and then they show 45 minutes of commercial time to us as well, in a sense we are paying for the product twice.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:46 am

That's now how it works at all since, for one, the cable companies aren't the ones showing the commercials.

Do you think it means you paid for your TV twice, too?
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Postby Stannis » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:47 am

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Postby Burtonbell » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:21 am

I'm thinking of switching to U Verse from Comcast in the Chicago land area. My in-laws are the only ones I know that have U Verse. Anyone else here have/had it? Any pros or cons compared to Comcast? I am not worried about the only 1 HD TV in the house since I only have one HD TV anyways.
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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:23 am

hardcorecubfan wrote:It is amazing that , as americans, we accept what cable companies do. The charge us for their product and then they show 45 minutes of commercial time to us as well, in a sense we are paying for the product twice.

That is awesome.
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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Soul » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:44 am

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hardcorecubfan wrote:It is amazing that , as americans, we accept what cable companies do. The charge us for their product and then they show 45 minutes of commercial time to us as well, in a sense we are paying for the product twice.

That is awesome.


I think he means just the ads that Cable companies put on for their own product (perhaps)? Everyone does that though.
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Postby Butterscup » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:45 am

I assure you he probably doesn't.

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Postby hardcorecubfan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:01 pm

Nuts&Gum wrote:That's now how it works at all since, for one, the cable companies aren't the ones showing the commercials.

Do you think it means you paid for your TV twice, too?


Are you serious? Think about it, you just paid for the rights to a transmission of a signal to come into your house, so the cable company has just made a profit off you. Technically it is like a movie, if you pay for it, I don't expect it to be interupted by commercials. Yet, as Americans we tolerate being charged taxed (our time)by commercial advertisement. thus the cable companies are profiting twice from the same signal.\

Does HBO now have commercials on it?
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:03 pm

This is amazing. He seemingly has no clue how commercials work.
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Postby woodchip2153 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:06 pm

Burtonbell wrote:I'm thinking of switching to U Verse from Comcast in the Chicago land area. My in-laws are the only ones I know that have U Verse. Anyone else here have/had it? Any pros or cons compared to Comcast? I am not worried about the only 1 HD TV in the house since I only have one HD TV anyways.


I had it here in St. Louis. I loved it. I got more for my money, hardly had any outages, and the customer service was better.

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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Soul » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:16 pm

With a service like Cable, you are paying for their ability to engineer and deliver the breadth and scope of the options that you receive. They gather the signals together and deliver them to your home from a number of different sources. That's the value-add they provide over & above the commercial advertisements. Without that service, you'd be back to the locally broadcast signals, 3 or 4 channels worth.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:16 pm

Soul wrote:With a service like Cable, you are paying for their ability to engineer and deliver the breadth and scope of the options that you receive. They gather the signals together and deliver them to your home from a number of different sources. That's the value-add they provide over & above the commercial advertisements. Without that service, you'd be back to the locally broadcast signals, 3 or 4 channels worth.


Which also have commercials. WE NEED TO TEA PARTY THESE COMMERCIALS.
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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:31 pm

hardcorecubfan wrote:
Nuts&Gum wrote:That's now how it works at all since, for one, the cable companies aren't the ones showing the commercials.

Do you think it means you paid for your TV twice, too?


Are you serious? Think about it, you just paid for the rights to a transmission of a signal to come into your house, so the cable company has just made a profit off you. Technically it is like a movie, if you pay for it, I don't expect it to be interupted by commercials. Yet, as Americans we tolerate being charged taxed (our time)by commercial advertisement. thus the cable companies are profiting twice from the same signal.\

Does HBO now have commercials on it?

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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby SouthSideRyan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:42 pm

Burtonbell wrote:I'm thinking of switching to U Verse from Comcast in the Chicago land area. My in-laws are the only ones I know that have U Verse. Anyone else here have/had it? Any pros or cons compared to Comcast? I am not worried about the only 1 HD TV in the house since I only have one HD TV anyways.


Don't bother, U-Verse shows commercials.
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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby abuck1220 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:24 pm

i bought this toaster oven and i still have to pay tolls on the highway. it's like paying twice.

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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Soul » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:51 pm

You pay tolls on the freeway and then they have the gall to charge you for gas too.
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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Banedon » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:03 am

hardcorecubfan wrote:
Nuts&Gum wrote:That's now how it works at all since, for one, the cable companies aren't the ones showing the commercials.

Do you think it means you paid for your TV twice, too?


Are you serious? Think about it, you just paid for the rights to a transmission of a signal to come into your house, so the cable company has just made a profit off you. Technically it is like a movie, if you pay for it, I don't expect it to be interupted by commercials. Yet, as Americans we tolerate being charged taxed (our time)by commercial advertisement. thus the cable companies are profiting twice from the same signal.\

Does HBO now have commercials on it?


Ok...I'd apparently ignored this thread for a few days...so this is a bit delayed, but I'm actually going to try to explain this, because I'm in that kind of mood I guess.

1. You are paying your cable company for providing the ability to receive television programming over their lines. They do not provide actual programming...just access to programming. They have minimal control over commercials.

2. You watch commercials to pay for the television channel's costs. Cable companies do not make money on commercials.

3. HBO/Showtime/etc, are pay stations. You pay extra specifically so you don't have to watch commercials. They don't rely on advertising revenue, which is why their shows can keep critically acclaimed shows on that don't do great ratings. So long as subscribership remains the same, then they're fine. With network tv, if the show has lower ratings but great critical acclaim, the advertising rate still drops, and the channel makes less money.

You're right in a way...you are being charged twice for your television viewing, but you're being charged by 2 different aspects of the television industry. Service provider, and programming provider. Both of them have to make money in order for you to receive television.

By the way, what movies are you going to where you aren't watching commercials? They may not be in the middle of the movie, but they're certainly before it, and in very many cases, embedded within it...

Also, this is not unique to Americans, as you implied.

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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Soul » Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:42 am

Yeah, that's right, the product placement -- which I find to be as disruptive as a commercial break if it's really blatant or just badly done. There's commercials everywhere, all kinds of creatively done advertising, whether you paid for no breaks or not.

For TV, the DVR has really changed my life. I just FF right through most commercial breaks. Sometimes I'll stop to watch a commercial that looks interesting, or whatever. I like having that choice. In a way, I'm paying DirecTV not just for access to shows, but also for access to the ability to override commercials if I want to.
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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Stannis » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:45 am

Banedon wrote:
hardcorecubfan wrote:
Nuts&Gum wrote:That's now how it works at all since, for one, the cable companies aren't the ones showing the commercials.

Do you think it means you paid for your TV twice, too?


Are you serious? Think about it, you just paid for the rights to a transmission of a signal to come into your house, so the cable company has just made a profit off you. Technically it is like a movie, if you pay for it, I don't expect it to be interupted by commercials. Yet, as Americans we tolerate being charged taxed (our time)by commercial advertisement. thus the cable companies are profiting twice from the same signal.\

Does HBO now have commercials on it?


Ok...I'd apparently ignored this thread for a few days...so this is a bit delayed, but I'm actually going to try to explain this, because I'm in that kind of mood I guess.

1. You are paying your cable company for providing the ability to receive television programming over their lines. They do not provide actual programming...just access to programming. They have minimal control over commercials.

2. You watch commercials to pay for the television channel's costs. Cable companies do not make money on commercials.

3. HBO/Showtime/etc, are pay stations. You pay extra specifically so you don't have to watch commercials. They don't rely on advertising revenue, which is why their shows can keep critically acclaimed shows on that don't do great ratings. So long as subscribership remains the same, then they're fine. With network tv, if the show has lower ratings but great critical acclaim, the advertising rate still drops, and the channel makes less money.

You're right in a way...you are being charged twice for your television viewing, but you're being charged by 2 different aspects of the television industry. Service provider, and programming provider. Both of them have to make money in order for you to receive television.

By the way, what movies are you going to where you aren't watching commercials? They may not be in the middle of the movie, but they're certainly before it, and in very many cases, embedded within it...

Also, this is not unique to Americans, as you implied.


fyi, the cable companies pay a set fee to the premium channels either yearly or quarterly, i'm not sure, i think yearly and then are tasked with filling up the boat, if you will, with as many subscriptions as possible.
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Re: Charter (and all internet/phone/tv companies)

Postby Banedon » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:19 pm

sulleymon wrote:fyi, the cable companies pay a set fee to the premium channels either yearly or quarterly, i'm not sure, i think yearly and then are tasked with filling up the boat, if you will, with as many subscriptions as possible.


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