The Politics Thread

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Banedon » Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:57 pm

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"We're going to win every state if Bernie Sanders is the nominee," Ohio Gov. John Kasich said to laughter from the audience. "That's not even an issue. And I know Bernie. And I can promise you he won't be president of the United States."


They are either a) terrified of him or b) completely underestimating him, both of which are good for Sanders


Bill O"Reilly also apparently said that if Sanders becomes President, he'll move to Ireland. I'll hold my breath.

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:05 pm

Derwood wrote:
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"We're going to win every state if Bernie Sanders is the nominee," Ohio Gov. John Kasich said to laughter from the audience. "That's not even an issue. And I know Bernie. And I can promise you he won't be president of the United States."


They are either a) terrified of him or b) completely underestimating him, both of which are good for Sanders


I don't think he's that far off from the truth; like it or not, the Republicans have barely touched him at all. At the end of the day Sanders is a goofy old guy who can be pretty easily spun as a crazy commie socialist bogeyman. I don't think he'd stand much of a chance once they unleashed the full onslaught of their slime on him.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:11 pm

Banedon wrote:
Derwood wrote:
Banedon wrote:
"We're going to win every state if Bernie Sanders is the nominee," Ohio Gov. John Kasich said to laughter from the audience. "That's not even an issue. And I know Bernie. And I can promise you he won't be president of the United States."


They are either a) terrified of him or b) completely underestimating him, both of which are good for Sanders


Bill O"Reilly also apparently said that if Sanders becomes President, he'll move to Ireland. I'll hold my breath.

Sanders Vs. Trump, Trump wins.

Sanders winning the nomination would be the worst thing to happen to progressive idealism in America. We've really only had one progressive in the WH since 1908. It's taken the Republicans almost a century to partially (mostly) dismantle everything that he did to make this country strong and just. The backlash would be horrific. There is too much White fear out there to vote for a true progressive. We would have to be in a total economic collapse for it to happen.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Banedon » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:16 pm

CubinNY wrote:Sanders Vs. Trump, Trump wins.


While you've got the time machine out, can you tell me when the Cubs win the Series?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:22 pm

Banedon wrote:
CubinNY wrote:Sanders Vs. Trump, Trump wins.


While you've got the time machine out, can you tell me when the Cubs win the Series?

2016 baby!

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:34 pm

[expletive], Trump is the only candidate I think Sanders would even have a chance against; there's still almost no chance Trump gets the nomination, so I'd be much more worried about the Republicans running a relatively "normal" politician a la Rubio or even Cruz, who I think would unfortunately trounce Sanders.

I do agree with the idea that a true liberal/progressive president would be a tough, tough sell. The only way I could see it happen is if they Trojan Horse-d their way in on a more moderate platform and then flipped the script once taking office. Obama was, obviously, hoped/expected/feared to be much more liberal than he actually turned out to be, but even that was just hoping he'd be a little bit more left of center than what we were used to. I think the far more effective path in the long term would be the Democrats and co. actually getting off of their asses and winning more local and state-level spots. Then when you do have a Democratic president they can ideally staff their administration and cabinet with actual liberals from Congress.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:41 pm

[quote="Sammy Sofa"][expletive], Trump is the only candidate I think Sanders would even have a chance against; there's still almost no chance Trump gets the nomination, so I'd be much more worried about the Republicans running a relatively "normal" politician a la Rubio or even Cruz, who I think would unfortunately trounce Sanders.

I do agree with the idea that a true liberal/progressive president would be a tough, tough sell. The only way I could see it happen is if they Trojan Horse-d their way in on a more moderate platform and then flipped the script once taking office. Obama was, obviously, hoped/expected/feared to be much more liberal than he actually turned out to be, but even that was just hoping he'd be a little bit more left of center than what we were used to. I think the far more effective path in the long term would be the Democrats and co. actually getting off of their asses and winning more local and state-level spots. Then when you do have a Democratic president they can ideally staff their administration and cabinet with actual liberals from Congress.[/quote]
Agree. What the Republicans have done was planned since the 1980s. That's the true Reagan revolution. When he married the religious right (high interest/low information voters) with the big business traditional base they began to roll over states. They started at the school board level and worked their way up.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby OleMissCub » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:02 pm

You guys are a pessimistic bunch.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby TruffleShuffle » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:02 am

time.com/4182474/michigan-governor-defends-handling-of-flint-water-crisis/

[quote]In an interview with TIME shortly before he announced the federal emergency request, Snyder says he first knew about potentially serious problems with the water supply on Oct. 1, 2015, when testing by state environmental officials confirmed elevated levels of lead. Pressed on whether that was the first time he became aware of any concern with Flint’s water, Snyder says, “Obviously, I knew there were water issues in Flint. But did I know there were unsafe blood levels? No.”['/quote]

great leadership, dick face.

this guy should be unemployed very soon. frankly i'm not sure that someone shouldn't be facing charges, considering that people in government ignored problems with the water that likely have caused death and brain damage in the community.

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Re: The Politics Thread

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby TruffleShuffle » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:10 am

[expletive] this guy.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snyder-asks- ... 23136.html

DETROIT (AP) — The needs of Flint, Michigan, "far exceed the state's capability," Gov. Rick Snyder said in a request for a federal disaster declaration and millions of dollars that could pay for clean water, filters and cartridges for residents whose water system has been contaminated by lead.

Snyder's letter to President Barack Obama paints a bleak picture of the troubled city, describing Flint as an "impoverished area" that has been overwhelmed by the release of lead from old pipes — the result of using the Flint River as the city's drinking water for 18 months. Nearly 60 percent of residents get food stamps, and median household income is 50 percent less than the statewide figure, according to Snyder's letter.

"Mistrust in government is at a heightened level," Snyder, a Republican, said in a request dated Thursday and released to The Associated Press.


yes, please give us money to fix the massive problem that could easily have been prevented by competent leadership. an emergency which the state emergency management people who have been running flint for 4 years cannot address. and what a shock that mistrust in government is at a heightened level, considering that YOUR GOVERNMENT just knowingly allowed people to drink poisoned water for months. what a joke.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Derwood » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:59 am

Is there a US city that has been [expletive] on more than Flint, MI? Jesus Christ


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