2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby David » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:12 pm

rawaction wrote:
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rawaction wrote:I'm OK with this. We knew if Gase proved he was worth keeping with the Bears that he would be gone after a year anyway. Loggains provides some continuity, which is key and he does have OC experience.


That was the same argument for Tice, sans the OC experience for Loggains which I don't find all that comforting.

I want them to hire the best guy, not just the guy who is already here.


LOL. The OC experience is actually a big deal, compared to a meatball OL coach like Tice.
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby David » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:13 pm

rawaction wrote:
David wrote:
rawaction wrote:I'm OK with this. We knew if Gase proved he was worth keeping with the Bears that he would be gone after a year anyway. Loggains provides some continuity, which is key and he does have OC experience.


That was the same argument for Tice, sans the OC experience for Loggains which I don't find all that comforting.

I want them to hire the best guy, not just the guy who is already here.


LOL. The OC experience is actually a big deal, compared to a meatball OL coach like Tice.


LOL you know who has OC experience? Mike Tice
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby rawaction » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:54 pm

David wrote:
rawaction wrote:
David wrote:
rawaction wrote:I'm OK with this. We knew if Gase proved he was worth keeping with the Bears that he would be gone after a year anyway. Loggains provides some continuity, which is key and he does have OC experience.


That was the same argument for Tice, sans the OC experience for Loggains which I don't find all that comforting.

I want them to hire the best guy, not just the guy who is already here.


LOL. The OC experience is actually a big deal, compared to a meatball OL coach like Tice.


LOL you know who has OC experience? Mike Tice


I don't understand your point. He only has OC experience because the Bears were dumb enough to give it to him. And there's a huge difference between a career OL coach and a career QB coach.

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:31 pm

My biggest issue with him is that he looks like he could replace Kevin James in a Paul Blart 3: Mall Cop movie.

Also the cumulative effect sucks. Loggains may be a good OC, but now we have a hole at QB coach. The good thing is Groh actually was a QB and has OC and QB coach experience, so they can actually keep a lot of continuity there if they go that route ... just need a new WR coach.
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby CubsBearsMagic » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:45 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:My biggest issue with him is that he looks like he could replace Kevin James in a Paul Blart 3: Mall Cop movie.


Looks a lot like Patton Oswalt to me.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:58 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:My biggest issue with him is that he looks like he could replace Kevin James in a Paul Blart 3: Mall Cop movie.


Looks a lot like Patton Oswalt to me.

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby David » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:40 am

rawaction wrote:
David wrote:
rawaction wrote:
David wrote:
rawaction wrote:I'm OK with this. We knew if Gase proved he was worth keeping with the Bears that he would be gone after a year anyway. Loggains provides some continuity, which is key and he does have OC experience.


That was the same argument for Tice, sans the OC experience for Loggains which I don't find all that comforting.

I want them to hire the best guy, not just the guy who is already here.


LOL. The OC experience is actually a big deal, compared to a meatball OL coach like Tice.


LOL you know who has OC experience? Mike Tice


I don't understand your point. He only has OC experience because the Bears were dumb enough to give it to him. And there's a huge difference between a career OL coach and a career QB coach.


My point is I want to hire somebody who actually has a good resume and not just promote a guy we already have for the sake of "continuity"
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby Butterscup » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:44 am

loggains will probably be fine as OC.

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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:22 am

rawaction wrote:
David wrote:
rawaction wrote:
David wrote:
rawaction wrote:I'm OK with this. We knew if Gase proved he was worth keeping with the Bears that he would be gone after a year anyway. Loggains provides some continuity, which is key and he does have OC experience.


That was the same argument for Tice, sans the OC experience for Loggains which I don't find all that comforting.

I want them to hire the best guy, not just the guy who is already here.


LOL. The OC experience is actually a big deal, compared to a meatball OL coach like Tice.


LOL you know who has OC experience? Mike Tice


I don't understand your point. He only has OC experience because the Bears were dumb enough to give it to him. And there's a huge difference between a career OL coach and a career QB coach.


Tice was OC in MN too
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby David » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:55 pm

Butterscup wrote:loggains will probably be fine as OC.


Based on what?
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby mul21 » Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:05 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Tice was OC in MN too


Are you sure? I thought he went from OL to HC when somebody got fired.
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby rawaction » Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:23 pm

mul21 wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Tice was OC in MN too


Are you sure? I thought he went from OL to HC when somebody got fired.[/quote
He's not sure, because it's not true. He was a head coach. Never an OC.

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby David » Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:55 pm

rawaction wrote:
mul21 wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Tice was OC in MN too


Are you sure? I thought he went from OL to HC when somebody got fired.

He's not sure, because it's not true. He was a head coach. Never an OC.[/quote]

Guessing he's referring to when Tice took over the play calling
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby Stannis » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:04 pm

David wrote:
Butterscup wrote:loggains will probably be fine as OC.


Based on what?


yeah, usually when I'm underwhelmed with a hire, it turns out to be underwhelming. like when they promoted tice or hired trestman.
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:16 pm

Fox did promote Gase internally from QB coach to offensive coordinator in Denver despite Gase having no OC experience. Hopefully Fox has a good eye for coaches.

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby CubsBearsMagic » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:49 pm

I read somewhere that Cutler hand-picked Loggains himself to be his QB coach, and a lot are saying he deserved more credit for Jay's turnaround than Gase did.

Now, none of that means he can be a competent OC, his first go-around in Tennessee was pretty bad. But I think I'm willing to give him another crack since it was Tennessee and very few coaches would have had success with the cast of players they had in 2012-13.

Also, Fox said pretty soon after the season ended that Cutler (and the rest of the offense) wouldn't be learning a new offense/system other than a few tweaks. Whisenhunt was never going to come here and run someone else's system. It was going to be Loggains the entire time.
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby sneakypower » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:55 pm

sounds like the Bears are in the danger zone
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby CubsBearsMagic » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:35 am

sneakypower wrote:sounds like the Bears are in the danger zone


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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:17 pm

Tim wrote:"Hawthorne Effect". Basically, people improve their behavior if they know they're being watched. I'm a competitive cur, so having friends that are also doing it drives me to want to "win" daily/weekly challenges and such.

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby David » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:19 pm

Sigh.
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:20 pm

can I get a pronunciation?
Tim wrote:"Hawthorne Effect". Basically, people improve their behavior if they know they're being watched. I'm a competitive cur, so having friends that are also doing it drives me to want to "win" daily/weekly challenges and such.

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:20 pm

Tim wrote:"Hawthorne Effect". Basically, people improve their behavior if they know they're being watched. I'm a competitive cur, so having friends that are also doing it drives me to want to "win" daily/weekly challenges and such.

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby Chocolate Milk » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:34 pm

I'm fine with it.

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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby CubsBearsMagic » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:00 pm

Big fan of promoting a guy Cutler already loves/trusts. Jay, Jeffery, and White are better than anything he had to work with in Tennessee, so we'll see. Not a sexy hire, but a pretty safe one in that I trust him to keep Jay playing the smart football he played this year.
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Re: 2016 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread

Postby David » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:00 pm

For those who are fine/OK with this, would you have been OK with it if we hired Dowell Loggains and he wasn't already a member of our staff? Or if we hired him last year?

I'm just trying to figure out how much of it for you is the continuity factor.
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