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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby davell » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:31 pm

An injury is the MAIN thing. Even if we were getting Gould straight up for him. A DL stint means he won't be dealt. With Garza or even Maholm, if you eanted to, they're tradeable in the offseason. That's my main issue. That being said, my honest guess is we're not getting nearly the type of offers we want here, so while we may be in a rush, it's certainly possible no one else is.
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Postby Irrelevant Dude » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:02 pm

toonsterwu wrote:The Nationals are supposedly in it, but they aren't willing to give up anything interesting so ... what are they giving up?

I am mildly annoyed by all the reports of teams being interested in Dempster but unwilling to give up top prospects for a "rental player". Yes he may be a rental, but he is a virtually cost-free (assuming the Cubs are picking up the salary) starting pitcher who can plug right in as a #2 starter in almost any rotation. That is a difference-making piece for a playoff team, so they better be willing to give up something more than mid-tier guys.
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Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:09 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:I can't believe people think a bad start for Dempster is going to hurt the return.


i don't care about that, but dempster is 35 and has already had 2 injuries this season that would both have crushed his trade value right now. all it takes is one minor injury and then we get nothing.

i agree with davell. they must be really underwhelmed with the current offers if they're willing to risk any kind of injury this close to the deadline.

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Postby tgkimmel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:42 pm

If the offers are that bad, my response would be that Dempster walks as a free agent I get a sandwich pick. The player we get there plus the bonus pool flexibility is worth at least an A prospect. We will start there. If that is too much, feel free to call back when you change your mind.

Whether i'd have the guts to stick to that or not is doubtful. To quote the American Captain from The Hunt For Red October, "the hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch."
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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:45 pm

The guy had an oblique tweak, he's not running out there without a torn labrum.
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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:47 pm

i didn't say anything about aggravating past injuries. i'm saying that any minor injury that's similar in severity to the two he's already has this year would be enough to put him out past the deadline.

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby davell » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:49 pm

Sveum has his phone turned up loud, just in case he gets a call saying Dempster's been dealt, according to Muskat.
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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby tgkimmel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:51 pm

dextermorgan wrote:i didn't say anything about aggravating past injuries. i'm saying that any minor injury similar to the two he's already has this year would be enough to put him out past the deadline.

I believe you can trade a player on the DL. Much more complicated I am sure and reduced value, but it would still be possible.
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Postby weis21 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:52 pm

Prediction: Dempster will strike out the side in the first in dominating fashion and traded before the Cubs bat in the second.

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Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:54 pm

tgkimmel wrote:
dextermorgan wrote:i didn't say anything about aggravating past injuries. i'm saying that any minor injury similar to the two he's already has this year would be enough to put him out past the deadline.

I believe you can trade a player on the DL. Much more complicated I am sure and reduced value, but it would still be possible.


i can't imagine anyone giving up anything of significant value, even if it's a minor injury. especially if guys like hamels/greinke/garza become available.

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Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:55 pm

davell wrote:Sveum has his phone turned up loud, just in case he gets a call saying Dempster's been dealt, according to Muskat.


he set the ringtone to "who let the dogs out"

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby tgkimmel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:59 pm

dextermorgan wrote:
tgkimmel wrote:
dextermorgan wrote:i didn't say anything about aggravating past injuries. i'm saying that any minor injury similar to the two he's already has this year would be enough to put him out past the deadline.

I believe you can trade a player on the DL. Much more complicated I am sure and reduced value, but it would still be possible.


i can't imagine anyone giving up anything of significant value, even if it's a minor injury. especially if guys like hamels/greinke/garza become available.

I agree
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:02 pm

What's the line here? Should we have not started him last game? What if we don't trade Dempster for another 3 days? Should we sit him that entire time while Jed negotiates?
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Postby biittner77 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:04 pm

dextermorgan wrote:
davell wrote:Sveum has his phone turned up loud, just in case he gets a call saying Dempster's been dealt, according to Muskat.


he set the ringtone to "who let the dogs out"


Too bad that's not for someone else because you know Dempster would be calling him every few minutes just to mess with him.
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The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby Named After Maddux » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:04 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:What's the line here? Should we have not started him last game? What if we don't trade Dempster for another 3 days? Should we sit him that entire time while Jed negotiates?


I think we needed to start him last game. Coming off DL, no one would have offered much of a package if he didn't prove that he could pitch.

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby tgkimmel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:06 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:What's the line here? Should we have not started him last game? What if we don't trade Dempster for another 3 days? Should we sit him that entire time while Jed negotiates?

That's why Theo makes the big bucks.
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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:07 pm

Wasn't Dempster's injury a month ago "disastrous" for his trade value according to Dexter?

What are the odds that Dempster has an injury in this start, especially one large enough to impact a trade(i.e. a blister doesn't matter)? Maybe 5% at the absolute highest?

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby treebird » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:13 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Wasn't Dempster's injury a month ago "disastrous" for his trade value according to Dexter?

What are the odds that Dempster has an injury in this start, especially one large enough to impact a trade(i.e. a blister doesn't matter)? Maybe 5% at the absolute highest?


it really boils down to what you think of the front office. if you trust them, you know that they aren't being offered quite enough yet and that the small chance of injury in this start is worth another five days of negotiating. if you aren't sure about them, you think that plenty is on the table already and they are making an egregious error for relatively little potential benefit.

i trust them.

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:26 pm

i basically agree (i trust them), but if it's true that gould/withrow or something like that was offered, i'd take it. i wonder if the offers suck and he's waiting for a decent return, or if the offers are decent and he's hoping somebody does something stupid.

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby davell » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:30 pm

I trust them too, but I can't imagine Gould is at least on the table, probably more, if the Dodgers offered him for Carlos Lee.
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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:31 pm

The Boston Red Sox also have made an offer for Dempster, according to another source, but it is unclear if he is open to switching leagues. He has spent his entire 13-year career in the National League.


http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/ ... trade-talk

i thought the red sox said they were out on dempster.

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby Bull » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:36 pm

dextermorgan wrote:
The Boston Red Sox also have made an offer for Dempster, according to another source, but it is unclear if he is open to switching leagues. He has spent his entire 13-year career in the National League.


http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/ ... trade-talk

i thought the red sox said they were out on dempster.


could be that they're out because he's unwilling to switch leagues.

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby 23sharks » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:44 pm

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Dodgers pitching prospects

1. Zach Lee, RHP
2. Nathan Eovaldi, RHP
3. Allen Webster, RHP
4. Chris Reed, LHP
5. Garrett Gould, RHP
6. Angel Sanchez, RHP
7. Chris Withrow, RHP
8. Scott Barlow, RHP

The Chicago Cubs are reportedly looking to stock their organization with young pitching in trades they make this month and Jon Morosi tweets that a deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers for right-hander Ryan Dempster will likely net the Cubs one or two young arms.

Since the Dodgers are the club that appears to be in hardest on Dempster, let's take a look at the young pitching they have that could be sent to Chicago. Above rankings are organizational, and are based on Keith Law's Dodgers Top 10 over the winter.

Lee, the club's top overall prospect, may be steep for a two-month rental, as might Eovaldi or any two of the above names. Though there is a chance the Dodgers could be trading for more than a rental, as Jon Morosi of FOXSports.com tweets Dempster "can insist on contract extension if and when players agreed upon."

This is getting really interesting, isn't it?

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby TruffleShuffle » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:46 pm

would it really matter that much? he'd be playing in the american league for two months and then could come back to the NL. it's not like he's some awesome hitter and would hate having the bat taken out of his hands.

plus dempster seems pretty into the cubs' fan base and history, and the red sox have plenty of that going for them.

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Re: The Dempster Trade Thread

Postby Stannis » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:10 pm

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davell wrote:He's beyond due to have a bad start. With the possibility of that and also the injury chance, the only reason this isn't getting done is because the offers must be horrible. You'd think a team would want him making this start for them, with as close as the races are.

I suppose there's still a shot that Theo/Hoyer are holding their poker faces until the very last second in hopes of getting just a little bit more.

Or at least, that's my hope. I just dont see the upside of him starting. He either keeps his trade value as high as it currently is or drops it due to injury/a crappy performance. Not sure his value can really go up from where it is, barring a no-hitter or something.


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