The Pitchers we can trade for....

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Re: The Pitchers we can trade for....

Postby KingCubsFan » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:31 pm

Rays have offered Odorizzi an extension. Timing is interesting.

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Postby JennieGarthAlgar » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:32 pm

If we're trading both Soler and Baez I'd try to get a better return and package them together and go for it on an established ace, if possible. Gray, Sale Archer, Fernandez... what will these guys cost in addition to Soler+Baez?

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JennieGarthAlgar wrote:If we're trading both Soler and Baez I'd try to get a better return and package them together and go for it on an established ace, if possible. Gray, Sale Archer, Fernandez... what will these guys cost in addition to Soler+Baez?


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Re: The Pitchers we can trade for....

Postby KingCubsFan » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:34 pm

JennieGarthAlgar wrote:If we're trading both Soler and Baez I'd try to get a better return and package them together and go for it on an established ace, if possible. Gray, Sale Archer, Fernandez... what will these guys cost in addition to Soler+Baez?

Sale would probably take Kris Bryant, so you can forget about that one.

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Postby Tim » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:58 pm

The Logan wrote:Hmmm...

Hypothetical:

Soler package for Miller or Teheran (and/or others)
Baez package for Odorizzi & McGee (and/or others)
Trade Wood, Hammell, and Montero for salary relief and farm replenishing and/or bench strengthening
Sign Heyward
Sign Span

How plausible is that? Is that even a good use of resources?

You've got too many arms in the rotation. Make the Baez package include Snell & McGee and I can see it if I squint.

But I think I'd rather keep the young bats, trade Montero & Wood (for whatever) to free up room for Heyward. Then I'd go the IFA route to add rotation depth.
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Re: The Pitchers we can trade for....

Postby Tryptamine » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:43 pm

KingCubsFan wrote:
JennieGarthAlgar wrote:If we're trading both Soler and Baez I'd try to get a better return and package them together and go for it on an established ace, if possible. Gray, Sale Archer, Fernandez... what will these guys cost in addition to Soler+Baez?

Sale would probably take Kris Bryant, so you can forget about that one.


Kris Bryant is already more valuable than Sale by himself.

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Postby SouthSideRyan » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:05 pm

The Logan wrote:Hmmm...

Hypothetical:

Soler package for Miller or Teheran (and/or others)
Baez package for Odorizzi & McGee (and/or others)
Trade Wood, Hammell, and Montero for salary relief and farm replenishing and/or bench strengthening
Sign Heyward
Sign Span

How plausible is that? Is that even a good use of resources?


The home plate ump might tire of being hit by every pitch.
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SouthSideRyan wrote:
The Logan wrote:Hmmm...

Hypothetical:

Soler package for Miller or Teheran (and/or others)
Baez package for Odorizzi & McGee (and/or others)
Trade Wood, Hammell, and Montero for salary relief and farm replenishing and/or bench strengthening
Sign Heyward
Sign Span

How plausible is that? Is that even a good use of resources?


The home plate ump might tire of being hit by every pitch.


I don't think having David Ross as the only catcher on your roster is a good idea.

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Postby sneakypower » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:12 pm

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sneakypower wrote:um hey guys dont forget about me

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That's an awful lot of protective equipment for a left fielder, but given his propensity for dropping balls it might be prudent.

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Postby SouthSideRyan » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:49 pm

sneakypower wrote:um hey guys dont forget about me

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Doesn't seem fair that Bryant had to wear a dress, and Schwarber just got to wear catcher's gear for rookie hazing.
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Postby David » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:54 pm

i mean, [expletive]...teams won lots of games with mike piazza at catcher for years so, meh.

i don't see it happening but it's not like it would bother me.

can't wait for the replies admonishing me for comparing schwarb to a HOFer
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Not sure how well connected Julie Dicaro is.

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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:16 pm

I'd do either 1 of those guys for Gausman in a 1 for 1 deal. I'd prefer it to be Baez.
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Postby UMFan83 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:18 pm

Is that suggesting Soler and Baez or Soler or Baez?

Is Gausman as an elite prospect still a thing? His numbers so far havent been terrible by any means (3.79 career FIP) but not up to his hype level and hes 24
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Postby Tryptamine » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:26 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Is that suggesting Soler and Baez or Soler or Baez?

Is Gausman as an elite prospect still a thing? His numbers so far havent been terrible by any means (3.79 career FIP) but not up to his hype level and hes 24


He still hasn't developed a third pitch. Teach him a Cutter and a splitter and he has top of the rotation potential.

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Postby KrisBryantisaBeast » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:41 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Is that suggesting Soler and Baez or Soler or Baez?

Is Gausman as an elite prospect still a thing? His numbers so far havent been terrible by any means (3.79 career FIP) but not up to his hype level and hes 24


I took it to mean that they like both players I am sure Baltimore doesn't actually think they will get both for Gausman. The more teams that are interested in Baez and Soler the better for the Cubs obviously. So far we have seen Atlanta, Baltimore, and Tampa and maybe Cleveland are all interested in our guys. We should definitely be able to get a good package for one of them.

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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:53 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Is that suggesting Soler and Baez or Soler or Baez?

Is Gausman as an elite prospect still a thing? His numbers so far havent been terrible by any means (3.79 career FIP) but not up to his hype level and hes 24

I take it as one or the other, Baltimore can't develop pitching to save their life so the fact he's put up decent numbers basically on pure stuff/his pedigree while be jerked around I believe there is a lot to tap in to with a competent pitching coach/organization.

Of all the rumored guys available he's probably #2 on my list behind Carrasco. I probaby would rank them in my preference 1. Carrasco 2. Gausman 3. Odorizzi/McGee 4. Miller 5. Ross
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Re: The Pitchers we can trade for....

Postby davell » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:53 pm

Out of the rumored pitching, I think I'd go 1)Carrasco 2) Snell/McGee 3) Salazar 4) Odorizzi/McGee 5) Ross 6) Moore/McGee 7) Miller 8) Gausman 9) Teheran 10) Cobb/McGee
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Postby David » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:56 pm

Tryptamine wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Is that suggesting Soler and Baez or Soler or Baez?

Is Gausman as an elite prospect still a thing? His numbers so far havent been terrible by any means (3.79 career FIP) but not up to his hype level and hes 24


He still hasn't developed a third pitch. Teach him a Cutter and a splitter and he has top of the rotation potential.


maybe he has a cutter and isnt' allowed to use it lol
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Postby rawaction » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:15 pm

davell wrote:Out of the rumored pitching, I think I'd go 1)Carrasco 2) Snell/McGee 3) Salazar 4) Odorizzi/McGee 5) Ross 6) Moore/McGee 7) Miller 8) Gausman 9) Teheran 10) Cobb/McGee


1. Carrasco
2. Odorizzi
3. Ross
4. Salazar
5. Teheran
6. Gausman
7. Miller
8. Cobb
9. Cashner


This is barring more elite guys being made available.

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Postby Tim » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:25 pm

I'm trying to see how the front office is piecing this whole thing together. They're clearly trying to add another mlb pitcher through a trade, which would tell me they intend to then move Hammel to clear salary. There's probably a good chance they're going to move/non-tender Wood since that's an easy way to clear $7M. They're rumored to be offering Montero and his $14M. If they moved all three, that would clear around $30M. That would certainly clear enough to get Heyward, but would create other issues on the team. The pen would probably be fine, but would be pretty short on lefties. The starting pitching depth doesn't really improve. They would either be opening up a hole in the OF if they trade Soler or weakening the bench and becoming very reliant on Castro if they trade Baez. And they'd open up a pretty big hole at catcher unless they're confident Schwarbs is making huge strides this offseason or Contreras is ready to play at the MLB level.

I'm fascinated to see how all this plays out.
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Tim wrote:I'm trying to see how the front office is piecing this whole thing together. They're clearly trying to add another mlb pitcher through a trade, which would tell me they intend to then move Hammel to clear salary. There's probably a good chance they're going to move/non-tender Wood since that's an easy way to clear $7M. They're rumored to be offering Montero and his $14M. If they moved all three, that would clear around $30M. That would certainly clear enough to get Heyward, but would create other issues on the team. The pen would probably be fine, but would be pretty short on lefties. The starting pitching depth doesn't really improve. They would either be opening up a hole in the OF if they trade Soler or weakening the bench and becoming very reliant on Castro if they trade Baez. And they'd open up a pretty big hole at catcher unless they're confident Schwarbs is making huge strides this offseason or Contreras is ready to play at the MLB level.

I'm fascinated to see how all this plays out.


They do seem to be intent on trading for another young pitcher which I am on board with. Combine that with them resigning Trevor Cahill it does seem pretty clear that they are going to try and shed Hammel contract. Trading Wood or non tendering him seems like a good way to go as well. They will probably have to add a bullpen arm if they get rid of Wood but it seems like they are looking for one so I bet once they figure that out Wood is a goner. I don't see Montero being moved because we do seem to lack options if they trade him so unless they can find a reasonably priced catcher that will work for a year or two I see Montero sticking around. Getting rid of Wood and Hammel contract should be enough to make a run at Heyward or Gordon/Span if they end up trading Soler.

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Re: The Pitchers we can trade for....

Postby KrisBryantisaBeast » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:50 pm

KrisBryantisaBeast wrote:
Tim wrote:I'm trying to see how the front office is piecing this whole thing together. They're clearly trying to add another mlb pitcher through a trade, which would tell me they intend to then move Hammel to clear salary. There's probably a good chance they're going to move/non-tender Wood since that's an easy way to clear $7M. They're rumored to be offering Montero and his $14M. If they moved all three, that would clear around $30M. That would certainly clear enough to get Heyward, but would create other issues on the team. The pen would probably be fine, but would be pretty short on lefties. The starting pitching depth doesn't really improve. They would either be opening up a hole in the OF if they trade Soler or weakening the bench and becoming very reliant on Castro if they trade Baez. And they'd open up a pretty big hole at catcher unless they're confident Schwarbs is making huge strides this offseason or Contreras is ready to play at the MLB level.

I'm fascinated to see how all this plays out.


They do seem to be intent on trading for another young pitcher which I am on board with. Combine that with them resigning Trevor Cahill it does seem pretty clear that they are going to try and shed Hammel's contract. Trading Wood or non tendering him seems like a good way to go as well. They will probably have to add a bullpen arm if they get rid of Wood but it seems like they are looking for one so I bet once they figure that out Wood is a goner. I don't see Montero being moved because we do seem to lack options if they trade him so unless they can find a reasonably priced catcher that will work for a year or two I see Montero sticking around. Getting rid of Wood and Hammel's contract should be enough to make a run at Heyward or Gordon/Span if they end up trading Soler.

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Re: The Pitchers we can trade for....

Postby davell » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:50 pm

Jed kind of made fun of the Twitter rumors just now. Said they're still talking to 10 teams.
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