Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

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Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby davell » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:50 pm

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 32s33 seconds ago

Sources: #Cubs talking to #Yankees about trade that would send Starlin Castro to NYY, sources tell me and @jonmorosi.

This would tie into Zobrist.
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:51 pm

I really don't want Gardner for him. I still really like Castro, I guess this could be a salary dump to get Zobrist. Any intriguing cheapish guys they have?
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:51 pm

Wow this is really heating up!

Time to vent over my irrational Starlin love.
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby davell » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:52 pm

I doubt it'd be for Gardner. My guess is it'd be for prospects, or something else very cheap.
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby David » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:52 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:I really don't want Gardner


Ugh same
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby weis21 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:53 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:I really don't want Gardner

this is JUST great. now he's mentally shattered for 2016 anyway so might as well ship him off.

but seriously i have no interest in Gardner - just bring back Dex if those two are your choices. and keep starlin.

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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby Banedon » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:54 pm

It seems like the media has been trying to get Castro to one of the NY teams for years.

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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby davell » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:55 pm

Unless we've already been told by Heyward that we're not getting him- I seriously doubt we're trading for Gardner. Thuis smells like saving salary all day long.
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby weis21 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:55 pm

and as much as I know it's a possibility, I would really hate to see Starlin go. I'd rather send off Baez, but part of me knows that Javy's ceiling is so much higher that I could understand the sentiment of keeping him in lieu of castro. it's just an irrational cubs side of me that has rooted for him longer than any other current cub.

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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby RammyFanny » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:56 pm

Should at least mention Andrew Millers name given the closer rumors.
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Postby Vinestal » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:56 pm

davell wrote:Unless we've already been told by Heyward that we're not getting him- I seriously doubt we're trading for Gardner. Thuis smells like saving salary all day long.

How much do you really like Castro davell?

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Postby David » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:56 pm

davell wrote:Unless we've already been told by Heyward that we're not getting him- I seriously doubt we're trading for Gardner. Thuis smells like saving salary all day long.


Just to give more of it right back to a guy like a decade older?
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:59 pm

How untouchable is Severino/how much more would we have to add? Going off of trying to get young controllable guys narrative as well. Like could we do Castro, Hammel salary dump with McKinney or one of the top 5-8 guys for him?
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:01 pm

Yankees could put together something interesting for Castro, I would think. Not a top tier farm system but tons of lottery tickets and potential relief arms.
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby UMFan83 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:01 pm

Am I missing the part where we need to jump into the Zobrist bidding war?

Don't get me wrong, he had a wildly productive run from 2009-2014, but his offensive production dropped last year (at least in terms of WAR). He will be 35 in May and expected to play important defensive positions.

I could be on board with a reasonable contract, but ~16 mil per for a guys age 35-39 seasons seems insane.

Furthermore trading Castro, an inconsistent but mostly productive SS on a reasonable contract in order to make room for him seems strange.

Please sell me on why I'm dumb and this makes sense
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby KrisBryantisaBeast » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:01 pm

I wonder if the Cubs are interested in Andrew Miller?

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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby davell » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:02 pm

Vinestal wrote:
davell wrote:Unless we've already been told by Heyward that we're not getting him- I seriously doubt we're trading for Gardner. Thuis smells like saving salary all day long.

How much do you really like Castro davell?


I actually like him. Did that come off as me thinking he sucks? If so, I'm not in that camp at all. But I do fall in line that he's not got a bunch of trade value either. If he was on the open market right now, I doubt he'd get much more than what's owed him currently(4/38). And I could see a scenario where they'd dump him(I mean, they'll get something useful back) in order to move quickly on Zobrist.
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby davell » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:04 pm

David wrote:
davell wrote:Unless we've already been told by Heyward that we're not getting him- I seriously doubt we're trading for Gardner. Thuis smells like saving salary all day long.


Just to give more of it right back to a guy like a decade older?


Yeah, but a guy who IS better than him and a guy that Maddon certainly loves. Again, I'm not a Starlin hater, I could just see them trying to get Zobrist.
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby TheDude » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:04 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Am I missing the part where we need to jump into the Zobrist bidding war?

Don't get me wrong, he had a wildly productive run from 2009-2014, but his offensive production dropped last year (at least in terms of WAR). He will be 35 in May and expected to play important defensive positions.

I could be on board with a reasonable contract, but ~16 mil per for a guys age 35-39 seasons seems insane.

Furthermore trading Castro, an inconsistent but mostly productive SS on a reasonable contract in order to make room for him seems strange.

Please sell me on why I'm dumb and this makes sense

Trading Castro to sign anyone other than Heyward is dumb at this point. To sign Zobrist is a complete head-scratcher.
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Postby Tim » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:05 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:How untouchable is Severino/how much more would we have to add? Going off of trying to get young controllable guys narrative as well. Like could we do Castro, Hammel salary dump with McKinney or one of the top 5-8 guys for him?

Supposedly they wouldn't include Severino in talks for Fernandez. We're not getting him for Castro.

No idea on what they could send back that would make sense.
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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby davell » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:06 pm

TheDude wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Am I missing the part where we need to jump into the Zobrist bidding war?

Don't get me wrong, he had a wildly productive run from 2009-2014, but his offensive production dropped last year (at least in terms of WAR). He will be 35 in May and expected to play important defensive positions.

I could be on board with a reasonable contract, but ~16 mil per for a guys age 35-39 seasons seems insane.

Furthermore trading Castro, an inconsistent but mostly productive SS on a reasonable contract in order to make room for him seems strange.

Please sell me on why I'm dumb and this makes sense

Trading Castro to sign anyone other than Heyward is dumb at this point. To sign Zobrist is a complete head-scratcher.


I don't think this would be something that takes them off Heyward. I think it's just them trying to upgrade 2B.
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Postby Vinestal » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:07 pm

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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:09 pm

davell wrote:
TheDude wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Am I missing the part where we need to jump into the Zobrist bidding war?

Don't get me wrong, he had a wildly productive run from 2009-2014, but his offensive production dropped last year (at least in terms of WAR). He will be 35 in May and expected to play important defensive positions.

I could be on board with a reasonable contract, but ~16 mil per for a guys age 35-39 seasons seems insane.

Furthermore trading Castro, an inconsistent but mostly productive SS on a reasonable contract in order to make room for him seems strange.

Please sell me on why I'm dumb and this makes sense

Trading Castro to sign anyone other than Heyward is dumb at this point. To sign Zobrist is a complete head-scratcher.


I don't think this would be something that takes them off Heyward. I think it's just them trying to upgrade 2B.


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Postby Vinestal » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:09 pm

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Re: Starlin Rumor

Postby davell » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:10 pm

UMFan83 wrote:
davell wrote:
TheDude wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Am I missing the part where we need to jump into the Zobrist bidding war?

Don't get me wrong, he had a wildly productive run from 2009-2014, but his offensive production dropped last year (at least in terms of WAR). He will be 35 in May and expected to play important defensive positions.

I could be on board with a reasonable contract, but ~16 mil per for a guys age 35-39 seasons seems insane.

Furthermore trading Castro, an inconsistent but mostly productive SS on a reasonable contract in order to make room for him seems strange.

Please sell me on why I'm dumb and this makes sense

Trading Castro to sign anyone other than Heyward is dumb at this point. To sign Zobrist is a complete head-scratcher.


I don't think this would be something that takes them off Heyward. I think it's just them trying to upgrade 2B.


At a cost of $9M in payroll


Not necessarily. It'd all be dependent on how Zobrist's contract is structured.
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