Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby Exile on Waveland » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:20 am

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Same here.

Like, I mean, the kid is devastated. He's worn #13 and played SS ever since he started playing T-ball 5 years ago, and he's got Castro cards and posters all over his room, and he met Castro last year during ST.


Damn, that sucks, sorry. I certainly don't have the emotional attachment to players I did as a child, but I'm still bummed to see Castro go (especially, for him, after the first taste of team success). But the trade makes a lot of sense, even more so in conjunction with yesterday's other move.
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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby Old Style » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:54 am

Maybe this has been covered already but what value does Ryan bring?
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Postby BigbadB » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:57 am

Old Style wrote:Maybe this has been covered already but what value does Ryan bring?


Probably serves as a cheaper utility guy in case Coghlan gets traded to clear space for Heyward.

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Postby davell » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:58 am

Old Style wrote:Maybe this has been covered already but what value does Ryan bring?


A fairly short last name that shall likely save a nanosecond of someone's time when typing that he's been DFA'd.
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Postby David » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:58 am

allows us to DFA someone in a few weeks
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Postby Tim » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:01 am

He's a grittier Herrera.
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Postby David » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:25 am

Does Warren make 500k next year or is he an arb guy? If so, any projections?
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Postby Tim » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:26 am

David wrote:Does Warren make 500k next year or is he an arb guy? If so, any projections?

mlbtr has him at $1.5M
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:43 am

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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:01 am

Not too sad to put his tiny face front in center in a supposed tribute to Castro.
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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby David » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:11 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:Not too sad to put his tiny face front in center in a supposed tribute to Castro.

Couldn't even get his full name in the damn pic. Jerk.
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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:15 am

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jersey cubs fan wrote:Not too sad to put his tiny face front in center in a supposed tribute to Castro.

Couldn't even get his full name in the damn pic. Jerk.

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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby badger » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:17 am

whenever I see those words together I think:

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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby sneakypower » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:21 am

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Assuming there isn't an injury to the starting rotation and we go into the year with Arrieta, Lester, Lackey, Hendricks, Hammel would it be hard to imagine him starting the year in AAA to get regular starts? Does he have options left?


This is only an educated guess and when the Cub Reporter/AZ Phil updates their 40 man we'll know for sure, but I believe Warren is in the same boat as Grimm and Brothers. They have options, but they have to pass through Optional Assignment Waivers (which are revocable) in order to be sent down. In the case of Brothers that's probably not a huge barrier, but it seems likely that someone would try to claim Grimm or Warren so it's probably best to assume they can't be sent to Iowa.

For the sake of completeness, but at the risk of a rebuke from sneaky, Hendricks could still be sent down.

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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby DiceMan4221 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:33 am

I was on team "DFA Castro, he's worthless" during mid season. When I heard he was traded immediately after signing Zobrist, I assumed it was a total salary dump. The more I read about Warren (especially the Fangraphs pitch fx breakdown) the more glad I am that I am not in charge of the Cubs. Stuff-wise, Warren is probably our #4 SP. And a good one at that!
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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby toonsterwu » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:53 am

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toonsterwu wrote:So, reading through the articles now, I'm left mildly curious if we'll ever find out how it actually went down. I believe Jesse Rogers noted that the Cubs proposed Castro for Warren early, but the Yankees said no. That said, over at the NYPost, either Davidoff or Sherman (don't recall right now) suggests that the Cubs kept pushing for Brett Gardner, but eventually fell back to Adam Warren, which Cashman agreed to because "you gotta give to get" (or something like that).

All in all, not like it matters much, but am curious.


It's called haggling. We agreed to take stupid Brent Lillibridge, or whatever the hell his stupid, white name is off their hands.


huh? That wasn't my point at all. And it's Brendan Ryan. But, my curiosity was that if the NYPost writer was correct, and that the original pursuit was Brett Gardner, that it could be a sign of the Cubs intent as it pertains to the rest of FA. Or, as noted, it could mean squat ... but no, my point wasn't to make some comment about haggling.

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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby BigSlick » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:57 am

It was nice that he got to redeem his 2015 a little bit at the end of the year, and had some nice moments in the playoffs.

I never formed the same bond with Castro that most of y'all did because from about 2012 to 2014 I was for the most part tuned out, which was extremely nice. Hope for the best for him out there, but I don't like the sound of the New York media and Castro put together, there might be some gnashing of teeth there.

Don't really know what the return is like. Adam Warren seems...decent. Feels like we got a half dozen swing-type guys now with Clayton Richard, Travis Wood, Trevor Cahill and now Warren.
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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby JennieGarthAlgar » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:04 am

I have this feeling that we'll bring Starlin back at the 2024 trade deadline or through a waiver trade or something. He'll finish his career with a ring with us as backup 3B/2B.

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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:45 am

BigSlick wrote:It was nice that he got to redeem his 2015 a little bit at the end of the year, and had some nice moments in the playoffs.

I never formed the same bond with Castro that most of y'all did because from about 2012 to 2014 I was for the most part tuned out, which was extremely nice. Hope for the best for him out there, but I don't like the sound of the New York media and Castro put together, there might be some gnashing of teeth there.

Don't really know what the return is like. Adam Warren seems...decent. Feels like we got a half dozen swing-type guys now with Clayton Richard, Travis Wood, Trevor Cahill and now Warren.



Warren >> Wood >> Cahill and Richard

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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby Rondon Fan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:01 pm

I will be very disappointed if we go into the regular season with Hammel in the rotation.
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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:04 pm

If a Yankees perspective matters, the feedback I've seen on the trade from their blogs is that they definitely hate to lose Warren, but they have absolutely no objections to the trade and some think they semi-fleeced the Cubs (or at least feel like they took advantage of the Cubs preceived need to dump salary). Especially when you factor in the Cubs taking back Ryan, who was basically Aaron Miles circa 2009 for them.
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Postby BigbadB » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:05 pm

Rondon Fan wrote:I will be very disappointed if we go into the regular season with Hammel in the rotation.


That seems odd to me. You would be unhappy if the Cubs signed Heyward and then went into the season with basically the same line up as last year, minus Fowler and Castro and plus Heyward, Zobrist and Lackey?

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Postby Rondon Fan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:08 pm

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Rondon Fan wrote:I will be very disappointed if we go into the regular season with Hammel in the rotation.


That seems odd to me. You would be unhappy if the Cubs signed Heyward and then went into the season with basically the same line up as last year, minus Fowler and Castro and plus Heyward, Zobrist and Lackey?


I suppose come playoff time it wouldn't make much of a difference and Hammel could do his typical "first half awesomeness" thing, but it just feels like keeping Hendricks/Hammel as your 4/5 is ignoring a major problem.
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Re: Starlin Traded to Yankees for Adam Warren & Brendan Ryan

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:11 pm

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Rondon Fan wrote:I will be very disappointed if we go into the regular season with Hammel in the rotation.


That seems odd to me. You would be unhappy if the Cubs signed Heyward and then went into the season with basically the same line up as last year, minus Fowler and Castro and plus Heyward, Zobrist and Lackey?


I'm all for benching him until August so we get his 3 productive months at the right time.
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