Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

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Postby shnsajax » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:06 pm

I liked this

Sounds like we should be rooting for Frazier to shoot up his garage right now and derail this
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Little Slide Rooter » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:20 pm

Poor Mike Olt.

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:22 pm

Banedon wrote:
tfarks wrote:Votto deserves another team to play for


Careful, the Cardinals might be listening.


The talk here is the Nationals are now going hard after Phillips, so the Reds look to be in fire sale-mode; I'd like to think that even the Reds aren't dumb enough to dump any big pieces in the division.
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Banedon » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:24 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Banedon wrote:
tfarks wrote:Votto deserves another team to play for


Careful, the Cardinals might be listening.


The talk here is the Nationals are now going hard after Phillips, so the Reds look to be in fire sale-mode; I'd like to think that even the Reds aren't dumb enough to dump any big pieces in the division.


Jocketty is a Cardinals plant.

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby David » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:28 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Banedon wrote:
tfarks wrote:Votto deserves another team to play for


Careful, the Cardinals might be listening.


The talk here is the Nationals are now going hard after Phillips, so the Reds look to be in fire sale-mode; I'd like to think that even the Reds aren't dumb enough to dump any big pieces in the division.


being in fire-sale mode, why would they even care about trading 32 year old joey votto within the division?

would you have cared if we traded samardzija to the cardinals if that had gotten us like taveras and martinez or something?
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby NonProfitCow » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:30 pm

Banedon wrote:
tfarks wrote:Votto deserves another team to play for


Careful, the Cardinals might be listening.

Votto is already 32 and still owed 199 mil over the next 8 years.

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby muntjack » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:30 pm

Trying to tweak the team to get an extra win or two by giving up a ceiling like Soler's does not strike me as prudent. Not for a team that projects to win so many games already. The Cubs will make the playoffs and have a good shot when they get there. I just shudder to think of Jorge locked in like he was to end the season in the middle of another lineup.

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby rocket » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:30 pm

David wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Banedon wrote:
tfarks wrote:Votto deserves another team to play for


Careful, the Cardinals might be listening.


The talk here is the Nationals are now going hard after Phillips, so the Reds look to be in fire sale-mode; I'd like to think that even the Reds aren't dumb enough to dump any big pieces in the division.


being in fire-sale mode, why would they even care about trading 32 year old joey votto within the division?

would you have cared if we traded samardzija to the cardinals if that had gotten us like taveras and martinez or something?


yeah i'd probably want a do-over on taveras
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Postby David » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:33 pm

rocket wrote:
David wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Banedon wrote:
tfarks wrote:Votto deserves another team to play for


Careful, the Cardinals might be listening.


The talk here is the Nationals are now going hard after Phillips, so the Reds look to be in fire sale-mode; I'd like to think that even the Reds aren't dumb enough to dump any big pieces in the division.


being in fire-sale mode, why would they even care about trading 32 year old joey votto within the division?

would you have cared if we traded samardzija to the cardinals if that had gotten us like taveras and martinez or something?


yeah i'd probably want a do-over on taveras


he might've lost the predisposition to do that sort of thing
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:34 pm

NonProfitCow wrote:
Banedon wrote:
tfarks wrote:Votto deserves another team to play for


Careful, the Cardinals might be listening.

Votto is already 32 and still owed 199 mil over the next 8 years.


He was also worth over 7 wins last year. If you think Steamer underrates his hitting ability(likely, since he's a career .311 hitter that hit .314 last year while Steamer projects him at .283), then he's probably still going to provide about 50 million in surplus value, and that's not really considering inflation either.

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:00 pm

David wrote:he might've lost the predisposition to do that sort of thing


Probably would have been partying with Bryant.
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby XZero77 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:02 pm

Before this, I would have ruled out the Cardinals trading for Votto because they didn't have enough to acquire him without hurting the major league roster. But now, I'm not so sure.

But I don't see Mozeliak going that route. As great as Votto is, that decline can come quickly, and he is 32.

As for Frazier, I don't think he is great, but two years of him has to be worth more that what the Reds got. Going from GABP to the Cell is almost a later move, so maintaining his numbers should be expected.

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Banedon » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:19 pm

Bob Nightengale thinks this move might make the White Sox a contender again.

mmmhmmmm

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:27 pm

rocket wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:This thread is fun:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthre ... White-Sox/


i feel kinda bad for them


Me too, though this inexplicably made me crack up at my desk:

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Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:36 pm

Banedon wrote:Bob Nightengale thinks this move might make the White Sox a contender again.

mmmhmmmm


I mean, they're sitting at 2nd in the AL Central in FG's WAR projections. Of course they're sitting 10th in the AL overall.
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:02 pm

rocket wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:This thread is fun:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthre ... White-Sox/


i feel kinda bad for them

I'm gonna enjoy drinking Thom and Marty Brennaman's tears, [expletive] them
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Cubfanintheknow » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:09 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
rocket wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:This thread is fun:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthre ... White-Sox/


i feel kinda bad for them

I'm gonna enjoy drinking Thom and Marty Brennaman's tears, [expletive] them


They're going to absolutely hate it when GABP is filled to capacity--with Cub fans!

It's going to be fun owning ball parks like that.

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby BigSlick » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:24 pm

I like this move because Todd Frazier was incredibly annoying to play against so we'll get ~10 fewer games against him
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:36 pm

rocket wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:This thread is fun:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthre ... White-Sox/


i feel kinda bad for them


I kinda don't. Their chili sucks and now so does their baseball team
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:37 pm

You know, it's almost like the Reds said "[expletive] it" to the division.

Thank you Theo!
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:38 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
rocket wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:This thread is fun:

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthre ... White-Sox/


i feel kinda bad for them


I kinda don't. Their chili sucks and now so does their baseball team


And their city
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Bull » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:25 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
David wrote:he might've lost the predisposition to do that sort of thing


Probably would have been partying with Bryant.

Proving once again that doing anything other than exactly what they and Jed have done would have cost us Bryant.

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby JennieGarthAlgar » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:42 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:You know, it's almost like the Reds said "[expletive] it" to the division.

Thank you Theo!


I mean, what other option did they have?

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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby Cubbie Swagger » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:34 pm

I'm glad the Sox got Frazier. I just feel horrible for the White Sox and their fans right now. Anything to cheer them up.

I can't believe I just said any of that.
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Re: Todd Frazier to White Sox in three team deal

Postby bukie » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:09 pm

The White Sox strike me as the AL version of the Diamondbacks.
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