Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Are you happy with ownership (whatever that means to you)?

Yes
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No
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Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:33 am

This poll occurred to me as I was looking for a thread to post the Ricketts radio appearance from yesterday in.

Obviously, this is a pretty good time to be a Cubs fan, so I've got a pretty good guess as to how this poll will ultimately end up, but I'm wondering how people overall feel about ownership now after about 6 years.

There's been plenty of (deserved) criticism of the Ricketts ownership (and support) on this board, and there have been several missteps (why the [expletive] was Hendry kept around so long? the renovation stuff was a clown show early on, etc.), but given how ecstatic we all are to be where we are now, with a kick ass young team beyond any of our wildest expectations, a kick ass front office, and soon to be kick ass facilities (some of which are already here), how does everybody feel about our creepy Ted Cruz lookalike overlord's tenure? Are you glad the Ricketts family owns the Cubs and are you satisfied with what they've done with the franchise over their first 6 years and the direction they are headed?

P.S. Obviously, a lot of these improvements were long overdue and any ownership group would have pursued them, but it's still so nice to finally see them coming to fruition after decades worth of stagnation.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:36 am

Also, in searching for a thread to post that interview in, I came across that one thread from a few years ago by JoseHernandez18 asking if the Ricketts were the worst thing to ever happen to the Cubs.

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his last two posts are kinda funny.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:56 am

I am currently tolerating the Ricketts.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby SouthSideRyan » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:59 am

Yeah, approval is such a strong word.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:01 am

I'm very suspicious of the whole "we were spending all the money we could in the past, then we decided we wanted to win go for it so we just asked the business side if they could find some extra money for us" and suddenly payroll goes up $40m.

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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:04 am

i'm not sure who the first no was, but i'm pretty sure ssr was the second one, just based on timing.

60-40 between he and kyle.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby UMFan83 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:05 am

I approve because we are good. If we suck again, then I choose to disapprove.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:06 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I'm very suspicious of the whole "we were spending all the money we could in the past, then we decided we wanted to win go for it so we just asked the business side if they could find some extra money for us" and suddenly payroll goes up $40m.


i mean even if it was an active decision to tank and the financial restrictions were completely made up, if the outcome was a 99 win true talent team where over half the key contributors are 26 and under, i ain't even mad (anymore).

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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:09 am

David wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I'm very suspicious of the whole "we were spending all the money we could in the past, then we decided we wanted to win go for it so we just asked the business side if they could find some extra money for us" and suddenly payroll goes up $40m.


i mean even if it was an active decision to tank and the financial restrictions were completely made up, if the outcome was a 99 win true talent team where over half the key contributors are 26 and under, i ain't even mad (anymore).

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I'm mostly there, but at best I'm giving all that credit to the front office and continuing to disapprove of Ricketts' creepy conservative rich whiteness.

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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Tim » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:10 am

I voted yes because there were only two options. "meh" would have been my preferred choice.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:11 am

Yeah, most of my good feelings towards the Cubs right now are due to the FO; the Ricketts are just sort of there, building hotels that will smell like McDonald's grease.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:21 am

at the very least, they deserve credit for identifying and hiring that FO, and probably doing borderline tampering type stuff to get them here, and then letting them do their thing pretty much unencumbered (especially if the belief is now the tanking thing was more a decision than a product of circumstances).

it seems like a low bar, but there are plenty of idiot meatball owners who would've hired the wrong guys for one reason or another ("baseball" guys or guys with organizational ties like reinsdorf). for an organization that had especially bad/neglectful ownership for almost a century, just not having complete incompetence is kind of a refreshing thing. (yeah, the tribune spent, but they were [expletive] at hiring the right people - maybe post dallas green, whatever happened there - and they didn't do near enough to modernize the organization both in terms of facilities and faculty).

i obviously take away credit for taking 2 years to start the overhaul of the baseball operations. if they recognized the deficiency there immediately, they should've acted immediately, but whatever. and they have looked like bumbling idiots more than once and were passive for far too long re: the renovations and the rooftops.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:24 am

David wrote:at the very least, they deserve credit for identifying and hiring that FO, and probably doing borderline tampering type stuff to get them here, and then letting them do their thing pretty much unencumbered (especially if the belief is now the tanking thing was more a decision than a product of circumstances).

it seems like a low bar, but there are plenty of idiot meatball owners who would've hired the wrong guys for one reason or another ("baseball" guys or guys with organizational ties like reinsdorf). for an organization who had especially bad/neglectful ownership for almost a century, just not having complete incompetence is a good thing. (yeah, the tribune spent, but they were [expletive] at hiring the right people - maybe post dallas green, whatever happened there - and they didn't do near enough to modernize the organization both in terms of facilities and faculty).

i obviously take away credit for taking 2 years to start the overhaul of the baseball operations. if they recognized the deficiency there immediately, they should've acted immediately, but whatever. and they have looked like bumbling idiots more than once and were passive for far too long re: the renovations and the rooftops.


So, yeah, tolerate them. Owners should be like managers; unless they're REALLY good, I kind of just want to forget that they're there.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:29 am

Actually, maybe I'm giving the Tribune too much credit for spending, even.

Through the 90's, I don't think our payroll ever matched up with our market size, did it? I could be talking out of my ass here a bit since I'm trying to remember things as I perceived them when I was in my early teens and I wanted us to sign albert belle.

In the 2000s, things seemed to get better, climaxing with the Zell-imposed spending spree to allegedly drive up the value. For [expletive]'s sake, we should've been able to sign Beltran after 2004, especially if we were going to run Sammy out of town (which didn't end up being terrible timing given his production, admittedly). Now I'm off on a tangent.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:29 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
David wrote:at the very least, they deserve credit for identifying and hiring that FO, and probably doing borderline tampering type stuff to get them here, and then letting them do their thing pretty much unencumbered (especially if the belief is now the tanking thing was more a decision than a product of circumstances).

it seems like a low bar, but there are plenty of idiot meatball owners who would've hired the wrong guys for one reason or another ("baseball" guys or guys with organizational ties like reinsdorf). for an organization who had especially bad/neglectful ownership for almost a century, just not having complete incompetence is a good thing. (yeah, the tribune spent, but they were [expletive] at hiring the right people - maybe post dallas green, whatever happened there - and they didn't do near enough to modernize the organization both in terms of facilities and faculty).

i obviously take away credit for taking 2 years to start the overhaul of the baseball operations. if they recognized the deficiency there immediately, they should've acted immediately, but whatever. and they have looked like bumbling idiots more than once and were passive for far too long re: the renovations and the rooftops.


So, yeah, tolerate them. Owners should be like managers; unless they're REALLY good, I kind of just want to forget that they're there.


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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby UMFan83 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:35 am

David wrote:Actually, maybe I'm giving the Tribune too much credit for spending, even.

Through the 90's, I don't think our payroll ever matched up with our market size, did it? I could be talking out of my ass here a bit since I'm trying to remember things as I perceived them when I was in my early teens.

In the 2000s, things seemed to get better, climaxing with the Zell-imposed spending spree to allegedly drive up the value. For [expletive]'s sake, we should've been able to sign Beltran after 2004, especially if we were going to run Sammy out of town (which didn't end up being terrible timing given his production, admittedly). Now I'm off on a tangent.


Read the book Entangled in Ivy if you haven't. I know some people don't like George Castle as an author, but its a pretty good look into the Tribune Ownership and MacPhail FO through the 90's and early 2000's.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:39 am

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David wrote:Actually, maybe I'm giving the Tribune too much credit for spending, even.

Through the 90's, I don't think our payroll ever matched up with our market size, did it? I could be talking out of my ass here a bit since I'm trying to remember things as I perceived them when I was in my early teens.

In the 2000s, things seemed to get better, climaxing with the Zell-imposed spending spree to allegedly drive up the value. For [expletive]'s sake, we should've been able to sign Beltran after 2004, especially if we were going to run Sammy out of town (which didn't end up being terrible timing given his production, admittedly). Now I'm off on a tangent.


Read the book Entangled in Ivy if you haven't. I know some people don't like George Castle as an author, but its a pretty good look into the Tribune Ownership and MacPhail FO through the 90's and early 2000's.


Will give it a whirl. Hopefully it's on Kindle. Thx.

LOL side note: Goerge Castle now writes for that sports mockery blog hahahahahahahahha
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby SouthSideRyan » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:52 am

David wrote:Actually, maybe I'm giving the Tribune too much credit for spending, even.

Through the 90's, I don't think our payroll ever matched up with our market size, did it? I could be talking out of my ass here a bit since I'm trying to remember things as I perceived them when I was in my early teens and I wanted us to sign albert belle.


Payroll differentials really weren't as much of a thing back then. My recollection is we were fairly in line. I'll have to try to hunt that down later.
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:56 am

We were always a little light in the 90s and early 2000s. MacPhail really didn't want to annoy the other owners by giving out any huge contracts. We were really good at making reasonable bids that didn't win free agents. I wanted Mike Hampton so bad.

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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:58 am

David wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:
David wrote:Actually, maybe I'm giving the Tribune too much credit for spending, even.

Through the 90's, I don't think our payroll ever matched up with our market size, did it? I could be talking out of my ass here a bit since I'm trying to remember things as I perceived them when I was in my early teens.

In the 2000s, things seemed to get better, climaxing with the Zell-imposed spending spree to allegedly drive up the value. For [expletive]'s sake, we should've been able to sign Beltran after 2004, especially if we were going to run Sammy out of town (which didn't end up being terrible timing given his production, admittedly). Now I'm off on a tangent.


Read the book Entangled in Ivy if you haven't. I know some people don't like George Castle as an author, but its a pretty good look into the Tribune Ownership and MacPhail FO through the 90's and early 2000's.


Will give it a whirl. Hopefully it's on Kindle. Thx.

LOL side note: Goerge Castle now writes for that sports mockery blog hahahahahahahahha


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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby David » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:00 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:We were always a little light in the 90s and early 2000s. MacPhail really didn't want to annoy the other owners by giving out any huge contracts. We were really good at making reasonable bids that didn't win free agents. I wanted Mike Hampton so bad.


That was actually one case where we were pretty much tied with the Rockies wasn't it?

I'm remembering the offers being basically equal and him opting for the schools in Colorado or some stupid [expletive].

side note: mike hampton had ugly peripherals
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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:04 am

Based on what we talked out here, they appear to be living up to their promise that new revenue gets funneled into the team. You can argue about the baseline that they're working from I suppose, but if they're going to run a 150 million dollar payroll this year that's 1) certainly competitive and 2) consistent with their statements and the public info we know, so I'm satisfied.

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Re: Ownership Approval Poll - December 2015

Postby davell » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:36 am

Its not hard to see WHY they're letting payroll move up, with the attendance jump, the increased ticket prices, the jump in their current TV deals.....They're at least giving Theo the ability to do the necessary things he wants to do. Tolerate seems like the best word use here, it'll get interesting once we DO have our new TV money, the renovations are done......To see how they stack up at that point.
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