IMB! wrote: CubsWin wrote:
Mephistopheles wrote:for ba, plate coverage = discipline. ie if a guy can hit a ball from nose to toes, he has good plate coverage so he has good plate discipline
vitters isnt going to K very much in the pros so for ba he has good plate d.
So plate discipline still means that he isn't swinging at pitches he can't hit well, right? If so, then my original question stands, why all the concern about Vitters plate discipline?
A walk gets you on base 100% of the time, where contact is a hit 35% of time? (totally made up number).
He might be able to hit a ball three feet out of the zone, but there's a reason that only a handful of guys have made a successful career out of doing that.
Of course, if he can make solid contact on those pitches, then I'm all for it. He won't be able to pull an ichiro though, because he has no wheels.
A good point and that helps me understand what Meph was saying, thanks.
But it should be noted that if Vitters (or anyone) is making solid
contact on a ball that others might not or should not swing at, then we should also factor in the possiblity of extra bases and the ability for that hit, even if it is just a single, to drive in a runner on second or third which a walk can only accomplish with the bases loaded. I agree that, if what Meph says is true and that BA's ranking Vitters 2nd best in plate discipline doesn't mean that he will take a walk very often, then that will likely result in a lower OBP, but it may also result in more RBI and more TB. Not saying that he shouldn't necessarily be more selective at the plate, just that those factors should be included in the discussion as a part of the larger picture.