2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby tgkimmel » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:46 pm

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tgkimmel wrote:Okay, will be. Not gonna matter. NFL went through this a few years ago with the Williams kid from USC that wanted to come out earlier than was collectively bargained. He lost - quickly. Courts are VERY reluctant to interfere with what was collectively bargained.

He didn't have Boras representing him.


Does Boras have a history of using the courts to overturn CBAs? He's got a hell of a lot more clients already in the union and a hell of a lot more money tied up the contracts he gets his veterans, and the union agreed to this system in a large part because they wanted money being spent on veterans, and not unproven kids.


Boras is beyond good, he might even be Johnny Cochran or Rusty Hardin good, at what he does. But I don't see him getting around this one. Cheer up maybe he'll sign, he's got a little time left. Hard to walk away from guaranteed millions for the possiblilty of more next year. He is much more likely to hurt his value over the next year than help it, and he and Boras both know that.


It's probably easier to walk away from a one-time $3 million bonus when your dad makes more than that each year and you're supremely confident you can make more than that next year.


I get it, but to me it's a stupid gamble. If you think you are that good, the opportunity cost (year of lost service time) is going to be worth much more than the $5 million or so more he could make if everything went "perfectly" next year and he was drafted #1 by a team that managed to about $1 million over slot. Seems to me he is more likely to lose both time and money than gain anything. Oh well, last time I checked neither Boras nor his client had called me for advice.
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby davell » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:04 pm

Giolito got 2.925 from Nats.
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:06 pm

Damn, Giolito signs for less than $3M. Still a sick recruiting class for UCLA.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:07 pm

Appel officially doesn't sign.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby davell » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:08 pm

Yeah, sorry Raisin. Little surprised he signed for that, kind of thought Nats would wind up losing picks for him, even if they said they weren't going to.
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:13 pm

Gausman signs.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby Jake » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:15 pm

How many first rounders didn't sign?
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:21 pm

Jake wrote:How many first rounders didn't sign?

Just Appel.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby Jake » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:21 pm

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/p ... appel.html

“Our final offer exceeded the available bonus pool money and was essentially up to the last dollar we could offer prior to falling into the second tier penalty which would have resulted in the loss of a first round draft selection," Huntington said. "While, as we have shown in past years, we are willing to be aggressive with our financial offer, we simply did not feel it was in the best interest of the organization to forfeit our first round selection in the 2013 amateur draft."
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:22 pm

davell wrote:Yeah, sorry Raisin. Little surprised he signed for that, kind of thought Nats would wind up losing picks for him, even if they said they weren't going to.


Can't complain with a probable top-3 recruiting class, up there with Stanford and Vandy.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:23 pm

So what are Appel's options? Go back to Stanford, or indy league?
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:23 pm

Jake wrote:http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/pirates-to-sign-mark-appel.html

“Our final offer exceeded the available bonus pool money and was essentially up to the last dollar we could offer prior to falling into the second tier penalty which would have resulted in the loss of a first round draft selection," Huntington said. "While, as we have shown in past years, we are willing to be aggressive with our financial offer, we simply did not feel it was in the best interest of the organization to forfeit our first round selection in the 2013 amateur draft."


They did the right thing. Appel wasn't worth losing a first rounder over.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby Jake » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:25 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:So what are Appel's options? Go back to Stanford, or indy league?

His tweets say he's going back to Stanford.
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:26 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:So what are Appel's options? Go back to Stanford, or indy league?

Yeah. As it stands right now, he's a top 5 pick next year. Callis said he'd pick him #1, I wouldn't. I'd rather have Kris Bryant, Ryne Stanek or Karsten Whitson and possibly prep OF Austin Meadows (don't know much about him but he's been discussed as a possible 1.1 guy in 2013).

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:27 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:So what are Appel's options? Go back to Stanford, or indy league?

His tweets say he's going back to Stanford.

He's a son of a big time lawyer and Stanford isn't your usual school but let's see if Boras leads him to an independent league.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby soccer10k » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:34 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:So what are Appel's options? Go back to Stanford, or indy league?

His tweets say he's going back to Stanford.

He's a son of a big time lawyer and Stanford isn't your usual school but let's see if Boras leads him to an independent league.


What would that mean in terms of his MLB future? Would he have to play a year there and then be able to become a free agent at some point?
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:36 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:So what are Appel's options? Go back to Stanford, or indy league?

His tweets say he's going back to Stanford.

He's a son of a big time lawyer and Stanford isn't your usual school but let's see if Boras leads him to an independent league.


What would that mean in terms of his MLB future? Would he have to play a year there and then be able to become a free agent at some point?


Nah, he'd go back in the draft next year either way. His choices are go back for his senior year, like, say Matt LaPorta, or go independent leagues like Luke Hochevar.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:38 pm

Gausman got $4.32 million.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:43 pm

Tomscha didn't sign:

@KendallRogersPG: And more good news for #Auburn. JUCO 3B Damek Tomscha, a 19th-rdr to the #Cubs, also didn't sign. Will head to #AU for college. #mlbdraft

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby Little Slide Rooter » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:23 pm

So Appel apparently returning to Stanford and eligible for 2013 draft. Better replace Rizzo, Castro, Dempster, and Garza with Amezaga, Lalli, Volstad and Wells ASAP.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby bukie » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:43 pm

Stop trying to evaluate players.
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:20 pm

Uhh, Jake...do you have Twitter?

"@serial66: @MAppel26 Follower of Christ?? Follower of Almighty Dollar. Boras screwed u out of $6 mil. You didn't impress me anyways. Happier w #9 pick"

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby The Logan » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:45 pm

The sweetest irony would probably be if Appel's high contract demands again have him fall to the 9th pick and the Pirates select him again and can't meet his demands and he doesn't sign.
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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:07 pm

The Logan wrote:The sweetest irony would probably be if Appel's high contract demands again have him fall to the 9th pick and the Pirates select him again and can't meet his demands and he doesn't sign.

He'd have to approve the Pirates re-drafting him.

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Re: 2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby Theo » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:13 pm

Really stupid question...so if you fail to sign your first rounder, you get the pick back the basically the same slot(1 higher) the next year, well what if, you fail to sign the player you drafted again, does it roll over another year?


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