2013 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:58 pm

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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:02 pm

Good, I suppose this means we won't have enough to get Clifton though?
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Postby David » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:08 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:Haha I broke that Heymen first


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Postby davell » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:14 pm

Great news.....Hopefully this doesn't cost us Clifton.
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Postby David » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:17 pm

davell wrote:Great news.....Hopefully this doesn't cost us Clifton.


I don't see how it's great news. It's bad news, if true, because I expect him to sign and to sign for less than that.
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Postby PrimeTime » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:49 pm

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Kris Bryant, No. 2 pick in the draft, agrees to record $6.7 signing bonus with Cubs, pending physical. http://trib.in/1djY49n

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Postby Hawk4Hall » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:51 pm

Damn that's a lot of money but with him being a Jr in college they probably thought he wouldn't sign.

That's a big payday.
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Postby Little Slide Rooter » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:55 pm

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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:57 pm

The Cubs can offer $440,924.99 to any one draft pick ($100,000 allowable plus $340,924.99 they currently have to spare).

I figured Clifton needed more than that. I imagine that's what Alamo will get.

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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:57 pm

Hawk4Hall wrote:Damn that's a lot of money but with him being a Jr in college they probably thought he wouldn't sign.

That's a big payday.


He got exactly his slot.

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Postby Bunts Lick Butts » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:04 pm

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Postby dfnowak » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:05 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:The Cubs can offer $440,924.99 to any one draft pick ($100,000 allowable plus $340,924.99 they currently have to spare).

I figured Clifton needed more than that. I imagine that's what Alamo will get.

How much was Clifton rumored to sign for?

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Postby Elrhino » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:05 pm

I was expecting at or maybe just slightly more than Appel. Not $400k more than Appel. Basically the value of a 4th round slot that could have been used on Clifton.

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Postby PrimeTime » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:11 pm

Well hopefully he turns out to be damn good. I kinda wanted Gray, plus he signed for under slot. Well see in the coming years if we got the right or wrong pick between the two or if they both turn out to be studs. Hopefully we don't lose out on other guys now with this signing.

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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:31 pm

David wrote:
davell wrote:Great news.....Hopefully this doesn't cost us Clifton.


I don't see how it's great news. It's bad news, if true, because I expect him to sign and to sign for less than that.


Lower is better in practical terms, I can't deny that. But I like the fact that we gave out the biggest bonus under the new system. Thumb in the eye of the underslot theorists.

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Postby bukie » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:32 pm

I guess "3B BRYANT SIGNS FOR SLOT VALUE" doesn't provoke the same froth from the masses as "BRYANT SIGNS RECORD DEAL".
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:34 pm

KyleJRM wrote:
David wrote:
davell wrote:Great news.....Hopefully this doesn't cost us Clifton.


I don't see how it's great news. It's bad news, if true, because I expect him to sign and to sign for less than that.


Lower is better in practical terms, I can't deny that. But I like the fact that we gave out the biggest bonus under the new system. Thumb in the eye of the underslot theorists.


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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:52 pm

bukie wrote:I guess "3B BRYANT SIGNS FOR SLOT VALUE" doesn't provoke the same froth from the masses as "BRYANT SIGNS RECORD DEAL".


Considering that underslot has been the rule for picks this high, "sign for slot" is a little misleading. Makes it sound routine.

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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:55 pm

dfnowak wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:The Cubs can offer $440,924.99 to any one draft pick ($100,000 allowable plus $340,924.99 they currently have to spare).

I figured Clifton needed more than that. I imagine that's what Alamo will get.

How much was Clifton rumored to sign for?


$800,000.

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Postby davell » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:31 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
dfnowak wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:The Cubs can offer $440,924.99 to any one draft pick ($100,000 allowable plus $340,924.99 they currently have to spare).

I figured Clifton needed more than that. I imagine that's what Alamo will get.

How much was Clifton rumored to sign for?


$800,000.

I could have swore I saw he had agreed for 570,000. At any rate, unless Alamo is signing for 100k plus tuition, looks like Clifton has no shot at happening. Which is disappointing.
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Re: 2013 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

Postby craig » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:44 pm

You can see why players love Boras. He's got nothing to work with, every logic says the Cubs should have been able to get Bryant for a lot less. But somehow Boras plays tough, the Cubs give in, and Boras gets an incredibly good deal. Boras is the best, there is no doubt about it.

I'm really surprised that the Cubs gave in so far.

I suspect this also reflects the Cubs either not being honest with themselves in terms of what Boras told them in their pre-draft discussion; or else Boras not being honest. I'm pretty certain the Cubs thought they'd essentially had an agreement on a price prior to the draft, and that's why they thought they knew what they had to work with in terms of Clifton etc.. I'm pretty sure Boras changed his story after the draft from what they thought he'd agreed to before the draft.

Regardless, as Kyle has noted, usually you'll win or lose with your top pick. Bryant will define this draft, not Clifton.

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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
dfnowak wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:The Cubs can offer $440,924.99 to any one draft pick ($100,000 allowable plus $340,924.99 they currently have to spare).

I figured Clifton needed more than that. I imagine that's what Alamo will get.

How much was Clifton rumored to sign for?


$800,000.

That sucks. Hopefully, he can still be signed. They really couldn't get Boras to take $360K less?

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Postby CubinNY » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:52 pm

craig wrote: Bryant will define this draft, not Clifton.

Yep, which is why the first part of what you wrote doesn't hold. I'm sure Scott told the Cubs what others signed for has no bearing on my client.

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Postby KingCubsFan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:58 pm

craig wrote:You can see why players love Boras. He's got nothing to work with, every logic says the Cubs should have been able to get Bryant for a lot less. But somehow Boras plays tough, the Cubs give in, and Boras gets an incredibly good deal. Boras is the best, there is no doubt about it.

I'm really surprised that the Cubs gave in so far.

I suspect this also reflects the Cubs either not being honest with themselves in terms of what Boras told them in their pre-draft discussion; or else Boras not being honest. I'm pretty certain the Cubs thought they'd essentially had an agreement on a price prior to the draft, and that's why they thought they knew what they had to work with in terms of Clifton etc.. I'm pretty sure Boras changed his story after the draft from what they thought he'd agreed to before the draft.

Regardless, as Kyle has noted, usually you'll win or lose with your top pick. Bryant will define this draft, not Clifton.

I'm guessing they saw Bryant as the clear #2 player in the draft, and took him hoping for an underslot deal but knowing that full slot was a definite possibility. To me, this shows that they took Bryant because they thought he was the best available player, and I'd rather they do that than take a guy they rated lower just so they could sign a few more third and fourth round talents (who have very little chance of ever panning out).


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