2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

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2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby Tim » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:56 am

Let's use the existing thread to talk about the draft as a whole and this one to focus on the actual picks for the Cubs.

Edit - No offense Tim, but we're using this post to update signings and info.

2014 Bonus Pool (signed picks only): $8,382,200
2014 Bonus Pool (signed picks only) Including 5% Overage: $8,801,310
2014 Bonus Pool Spending: $8,864,000
2014 Bonus Pool +/-: $381,800 Over Budget (the first $100,000 in a bonus for players selected after round 10 doesn't count against the pool)
2014 Bonus Pool +/- Including 5% Overage: $37,310 Under Budget (the first $100,000 in a bonus for players selected after round 10 doesn't count against the pool)

Cubs Picks (signings in bold; all scouting reports are free from MLB.com):

1.4 (Pool Amount: $4,621,200) - Kyle Schwarber, C/1B/OF, Indiana - $3.125 million bonus - BA rank: 17, MLB.com: 16, Scout.com: 20
Scouting Grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 65 | Run: 40 | Arm: 40 | Field: 40 | Overall: 55

Schwarber powered Indiana to its first College World Series appearance and first outright Big Ten Conference regular-season championship since 1932 last year, slugging a school-record 18 homers and ranking third in NCAA Division I in that category. Undrafted and relatively unknown coming out of an Ohio high school, he has since established himself as the premier power hitter in the 2014 college Draft class.

He offers lots of strength and bat speed from the left side of the plate, and he's not a one-dimensional hitter either. Schwarber controls the strike zone well and repeatedly barrels balls, so he should hit for a high average as well.

His offensive ability could make him a star as a catcher -- provided that he can stay behind the plate. While he moves well for his size, his throwing and receiving both grade as below average and could prompt a move to the outfield, where he has seen time for the Hoosiers.

2.45 (Pool Amount: $1,250,400) - Jake Stinnett, RHP, Maryland (sr) - $1 million bonus - BA rank: 67, MLB.com: 72, Scout.com: 81
Scouting Grades: Fastball: 60 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 40 | Control: 50 | Overall: 50

College seniors have done well with the new Draft rules as teams try to find ways to strategically use their bonus pools. Stinnett has the chance to be the first senior to come off the board in 2014.

Originally a two-way player who played third base for the Terrapins, Stinnett started focusing on pitching only as a junior in 2013. He's really taken off this season, showing a jump in velocity up into the mid 90s with plenty of sink. His slider has greatly improved, flashing as a plus pitch. His changeup is behind the other two, but he has shown some feel for it. The focus on pitching has helped his command, and he's able to pitch to both sides of the plate.

There is some effort to his delivery, but not enough to make a team think he can't start. College seniors typically are value picks, but Stinnett has the chance to go in the early rounds based on his size and stuff alone.

3.78 (Pool Amount: $714,900) - Mark Zagunis, C, Virginia Tech - $615,000 bonus - BA rank: 111, MLB.com: 149, Scout.com: 112
A three-year starter at Virginia Tech and a Johnny Bench Award semifinalist, Zagunis is an athletic catcher who has performed in one of the better college conferences in the nation. The ACC standout has shown a propensity for putting the ball in play and hitting for average, albeit from a slightly unusual setup. He's shown some extra-base pop in the past, though not as much in 2014. He runs extremely well for a catcher and has shown that his athleticism plays well in the outfield. His arm is average but on target, and his other skills say he could stay behind the plate full-time. The team that believes he can continue to hit might think he has the chance to be an everyday backstop in the future, and it will draft him accordingly. At the very least, Zagunis' versatility provides a team with options if catching doesn't work out.

4.109 (Pool Amount: $480,600) - Carson Sands, LHP, North Florida Christian HS (Tallahassee, FL) - $1.1 million bonus - committed to Florida State - BA rank: 53, MLB.com rank: 53, Scout.com: 64
Scouting Grades: Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 55 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 50 | Overall: 45

Along with Matthew Railey, his North Florida Christian teammate and fellow Florida State commit, Sands has seen his stock increase this spring.

Sands' rise has been partly attributable to the strength gains he has made over the past year. That led to a jump in his fastball velocity, and he now throws the pitch in the low 90s, regularly touching 94 mph. He also throws a solid 12-to-6 curveball and has a good feel for his changeup. He repeats his delivery well, allowing him to throw strikes with all three of his pitches.

Sands' strong season, size, stuff and projectability have helped push him up Draft boards as more scouts see him pitch.

5.139 (Pool Amount: $359,900) - Justin Steele, LHP, George County HS (Lucedale, MS) - committed to Southern Mississippi - $1 million bonus - BA rank: 121, MLB.com: 122, Scout.com: 154
Scouting Grades: Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 50 | Changeup: 40 | Control: 45 | Overall: 45

Not since 1999, when the Braves took Matt Butler in the second round, has a Mississippi high school pitcher signed out of the first five rounds of the Draft. A lefty with a loose, quick arm, Steele should end that drought this June.

Steele baffled scouts at the East Coast Professional Showcase last summer, when he ran his fastball into the low 90s but later dipped to the mid-80s. He has done a better job of holding his velocity this spring, working at 88-92 mph and reaching back for 94-95 on occasion. He's better when he throws with less effort in his delivery and gets more quality life on his heater.

Steele's curveball used to stick out more for its shape than its velocity, but he has boosted it from the upper 60s to the low 70s as a senior. His changeup has some movement, but the Southern Mississippi recruit tips it off by slowing his arm speed and doesn't trust it much. Though he's athletic, his lack of size and true command could have him destined for the bullpen.

6.169 (Pool Amount: $269,500) - Dylan Cease, RHP, Milton HS (Milton, GA) - committed to Vanderbilt - $1.5 million bonus - BA rank: 77, MLB.com: 76, Scout.com: 80
Scouting Grades: Fastball: 65 | Curveball: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 50

Cease is one of the hardest throwing high school pitchers in the 2014 Draft class, but he was dealt a significant setback this spring. He suffered an elbow injury that has kept him off the mound since March, leaving his future uncertain.

When healthy, Cease throws his fastball from 91-95 mph, topping out at 97 mph. He doesn't have a physical frame, instead generating his velocity with athleticism and arm speed. There is some effort to his delivery, and the rest of his game may remain inconsistent until he refines it.

His mid-70s curveball will range from a below-average to an above-average pitch, and his changeup shows flashes of becoming an effective offering, but he'll need to throw it more often.

Cease, who plays with his twin brother at Milton High, is committed to Vanderbilt.

7.199 (Pool Amount: $201,900) - James Norwood, RHP, St. Louis - $175,000 bonus - BA rank: 79, MLB.com: 119, Scout.com: 102
Scouting Grades: Fastball: 65 | Curveball: 40 | Slider: 45 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 45 | Overall: 45

A year after going winless and battling an elbow strain, Norwood is poised to become the highest June Draft pick out of Saint Louis in history. He figures to go in the first three to five rounds after displaying one of the best fastballs among college starters in this year's class.

Norwood's fastball has been clocked up to 98 mph, and he usually operates at 91-95 with some sinking and tailing action. He doesn't miss as many bats as that velocity indicates he should, because he lacks a quality secondary pitch to keep hitters from focusing on his fastball. He probably would be better off working on one breaking ball rather than throwing both a curveball and a hard cutter/slider, and his changeup is still a work in progress.

Though he has a strong build, Norwood features enough effort in his delivery to raise questions about his long-term durability as a starter. He'll remain in the rotation for now, but his ability to refine his secondary offerings will determine his ultimate role.

8.229 (Pool Amount: $191,800) - Tommy Thorpe, LHP, Oregon - $135,000 bonus - Scout.com: on the list of 292-546th best prospects (only the top 291 are ranked)
9.259 (Pool Amount: $151,000) - James Farris, RHP, Arizona (sr) - $3,000 bonus - BA rank: 357
6'2" 220lbs DOB: 04/04/92Farris has been a member of Arizona’s starting rotation for the last three years. As a sophomore, he started the clinching game of Wildcats’ 2012 College World Series championship. Farris doesn’t have overwhelming stuff, but knows how to use it and commands all of his pitches well. His fastball sits in the upper-80s and he can manipulate it to add or subtract velocity or movement depending on the situation. His changeup is his best pitch and he also throws a curveball, though it’s a below-average offering. Farris was selected in the 15th round last year by the Astros, but elected to return to Arizona for his senior year. He could be a solid option this year for a team looking to save money in its Draft budget.

10.289 (Pool Amount: $141,000) - Ryan Williams, RHP, East Carolina (sr) - $1,000 bonus
11.319: Jordan Brink, RHP, Fresno State - $100,000 bonus - BA rank: 164, MLB.com: 102, Scout.com: 105
Scouting Grades: Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 60 | Changeup: 40 | Control: 40 | Overall: 45

There have been some interesting pitching prospects in recent Drafts who came late to full-time pitching, including first-rounders Braden Shipley in 2013 and Kyle Zimmer in 2012. While Brink isn't quite that high-profile, he has the chance to do well now that he's focused only on the mound.

An outfielder for his first two years at Fresno State, Brink split time between playing that position and pitching as a sophomore then turned to pitching full-time in 2014. He's athletic, if a bit undersized, with the makings of two plus pitches in his fastball and spike curveball, which looks like a hard slider at times. He's working on developing his changeup.

The jury is still out on whether Brink can start long-term -- sometimes a bias against undersized right-handers -- or he'll end up in the bullpen. Either way, his arm looks like it has a shot to pitch at the highest level.

12.349: Tanner Griggs, RHP, Angelina College (TX) - committed to Texas A&M - Corpus Christi - BA rank: 425, Scout.com: on the list of 292-546th best prospects (only the top 291 are ranked)
13.379: Kevonte Mitchell, 3B, Kennett HS (Kennett, MO) - $200,000 bonus - committed to Southeast Missouri
14.409: Chesny Young, 2B, Mercer - Scout.com: on the list of 292-546th best prospects (only the top 291 are ranked)
15.439: Jeremy Null, RHP, Western Carolina - BA rank: 441, Scout.com: on the list of 292-546th best prospects (only the top 291 are ranked)
16.469: Jason Vosler, SS, Northeastern
17.499: John Michael Knighton, RHP, Central Alabama CC - committed to Troy
18.529: Austyn Willis, RHP, Barstow HS (Barstow, CA) - committed to UC Santa Barbara
19.559: Brad Markey, RHP, Virginia Tech (senior)
20.589: John Tomasovich, SS, Charleston Southern (senior)
21.619: Charles White, OF, Maryland
22.649: Joey Martarano, 3B, Boise State (freshman) - BA rank in 2013: 149
23.679: Isiah Gilliam, 1B/OF, Parkview HS (Lilburn, GA) (HS jr) - committed to Chipola CC - BA rank: 132, MLB.com: 114
Scouting Grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Run: 40 | Arm: 60 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

Just a few months ago, Gilliam was classified as a junior and a member of the 2015 Draft class. But because he began high school in 2010 and his eligibility is set to expire, he was able to move up his graduation to 2014 and become eligible for this year's Draft. The change left scouts scrambling to see him late this spring.

Gilliam is a switch-hitter and uses his quick, compact swing to generate good bat speed. He produces solid power and drives balls well from both sides of the plate.

Gilliam plays mostly first base now, but he is athletic enough to play in an outfield corner, despite his below-average speed.

24.709: Daniel Spingola, OF, Georgia Tech
25.739: Tyler Pearson, C, Texas State - (senior)
26.769: Zach Hedges, RHP, Azusa Pacific
27.799: Calvin Graves, OF, Franklin Pierce (senior)
28.829: Jacob Niggemeyer, RHP, Olentangy Liberty HS (Powell, OH) - committed to Ohio State
29.859: Gianni Zayas, RHP, Seminole State CC
30.889: Michael Cantu, C, Foy H Moody HS (Corpus Christi, TX) - committed to Texas - BA rank: 161, MLB.com: 139
Scouting Grades: Hit: 40 | Power: 55 | Run: 20 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 45

The position-player crop in Texas is exceptionally thin in 2014, from the colleges down through the high schools. The Lone State State may not have a hitter taken in the top three rounds for the first time since 1981. The best candidate is Cantu, who offers intriguing power potential and raw arm strength.

Cantu can put on a batting-practice show that rivals anyone's in this year's high school class, though his long all-or-nothing swing leads to swings and misses in game action. He has a strong arm, but he often records fringy pop times because his footwork and transfer are slow.

Scouts love Cantu's makeup and leadership skills, which were also on display when he quarterbacked the Moody football team, coached by his father Mike. While he has two captivating tools, there are enough questions about his bat and his agility that he may not get drafted high enough to lure him away from a commitment to Texas.

31.919: Brad Deppermann, RHP, East Lake HS (Tarpon Springs, FL) - committed to North Florida - BA rank: 192
32.949: Andrew Ely, 2B, Washington
33.979: Brad Bass, RHP, Lincoln-Way Central HS (New Lenox, IL) - committed to Notre Dame - MLB.com rank: 165
Scouts were excited about Bass' projectability and gave him a chance to pitch his way into the top three rounds this spring. He hasn't lived up to those hopes, however, as he played basketball during the winter and wasn't in peak baseball shape when the spring began.

It's still easy to dream on Bass, but whether he'll go high enough in the Draft to be lured away from a Notre Dame scholarship remains to be seen. He's lean and athletic, with plenty of room to add strength in the future. He'll show a 91-mph fastball early in games, though his velocity tapers off to the mid-80s in later innings.

Bass' slider has the potential to become an out pitch. It has some bite and reaches the low 80s at times, and he commands it well. His changeup needs a lot of work, and some scouts aren't enamored of his delivery.

34.1009: Steven Kane, RHP, Cypress CC - committed to Tennessee
35.1039: Jordan Minch, LHP, Purdue (sophomore) - $110,000 bonus
36.1069: DJ Peters, OF, Glendora HS (Glendora, CA) - Cal State Fullerton commit - BA rank: 112
37.1099: Riley Adams, C, Canyon Crest Academy (San Diego, CA) - San Diego commit - BA rank: 154
38.1129: Daniel Wasinger, C, Eastlake HS (El Paso, TX)
39.1159: David Petrino, C, Central Arizona JC - committed to Oklahoma State
40.1189: Diamond Johnson, OF, Hillsborough HS (Tampa, FL) - committed to St. Petersburg College
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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:06 am

Good thing I checked in here; I was making a detailed post to create a similar thread.

The draft starts today at 6 pm CT and can be seen on the MLB Network and at MLB.com. Also, you can follow along on the draft’s Twitter account.The first two rounds will be today. Rounds 3 – 10 will be tomorrow (starting at 12 pm CT) and rounds 11 – 40 will be on Saturday (starting at 12 pm CT). Days 2 and 3 will not be televised.

Draft Order

Round 1


1. Houston Astros
2. Miami Marlins
3. Chicago White Sox
4. Chicago Cubs
5. Minnesota Twins
6. Seattle Mariners
7. Philadelphia Phillies
8. Colorado Rockies
9. Toronto Blue Jays
10. New York Mets
11. Toronto Blue Jays (P. Bickford - unsigned)
12. Milwaukee Brewers
13. San Diego Padres
14. San Francisco Giants
15. Los Angeles Angels
16. Arizona Diamondbacks
17. Kansas City Royals
18. Washington Nationals
19. Cincinnati Reds
20. Tampa Bay Rays
21. Cleveland Indians
22. Los Angeles Dodgers
23. Detroit Tigers
24. Pittsburgh Pirates
25. Oakland Athletics
26. Boston Red Sox
27. St. Louis Cardinals
28. Kansas City Royals (E. Santana)
29. Cincinnati Reds (S. Choo)
30. Texas Rangers (N. Cruz)
31. Cleveland Indians (U. Jimenez)
32. Atlanta Braves (B. McCann)
33. Boston Red Sox (Ellsbury)
Boston Red Sox (M. Napoli)
Boston Red Sox (Drew)
34. St. Louis Cardinals (C. Beltran)

Competitive Balance Round A

35. Colorado Rockies
36. Miami Marlins (M. Krook - unsigned)
37. Houston Astros (from the Orioles)
38. Cleveland Indians
39. Pittsburgh Pirates (from the Marlins)
40. Kansas City Royals
41. Milwaukee Brewers

Round 2

42. Houston Astros
43. Miami Marlins
44. Chicago White Sox
45. Chicago Cubs
46. Minnesota Twins
47. Philadelphia Phillies
48. Colorado Rockies
49. Toronto Blue Jays
50. Milwaukee Brewers
51. San Diego Padres
52. San Francisco Giants
53. Los Angeles Angels
54. Arizona Diamondbacks
55. New York Yankees
56. Kansas City Royals
57. Washington Nationals
58. Cincinnati Reds
59. Texas Rangers
60. Tampa Bay Rays
61. Cleveland Indians
62. Los Angeles Dodgers
63. Detroit Tigers
64. Pittsburgh Pirates
65. Oakland Athletics
66. Atlanta Braves
67. Boston Red Sox
68. St. Louis Cardinals

Competitive Balance Round B

69. Arizona Diamondbacks (from the Padres)
70. Arizona Diamondbacks
71. St. Louis Cardinals
72. Tampa Bay Rays
73. Pittsburgh Pirates
74. Seattle Mariners

Round 3

75. Houston Astros
76. Miami Marlins
77. Chicago White Sox
78. Chicago Cubs
79. Minnesota Twins
80. Seattle Mariners
81. Philadelphia Phillies
82. Colorado Rockies
83. Toronto Blue Jays
84. New York Mets
85. Milwaukee Brewers
86. San Diego Padres
87. San Francisco Giants
88. Los Angeles Angels
89. Arizona Diamondbacks
90. Baltimore Orioles
91. New York Yankees
92. Kansas City Royals
93. Washington Nationals
94. Cincinnati Reds
95. Texas Rangers
96. Tampa Bay Rays
97. Cleveland Indians
98. Los Angeles Dodgers
99. Detroit Tigers
100. Pittsburgh Pirates
101. Oakland Athletics
102. Atlanta Braves
103. Boston Red Sox
104. St. Louis Cardinals

Supplemental Round

105. Miami Marlins (B. Deluzio - unsigned)

Rounds 4-40

Houston Astros
Miami Marlins
Chicago White Sox
Chicago Cubs
Minnesota Twins
Seattle Mariners
Philadelphia Phillies
Colorado Rockies
Toronto Blue Jays
New York Mets
Milwaukee Brewers
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants
Los Angeles Angels
Arizona Diamondbacks
Baltimore Orioles
New York Yankees
Kansas City Royals
Washington Nationals
Cincinnati Reds
Texas Rangers
Tampa Bay Rays
Cleveland Indians
Los Angeles Dodgers
Detroit Tigers
Pittsburgh Pirates
Oakland Athletics
Atlanta Braves
Boston Red Sox
St. Louis Cardinals

The Cubs have a bonus pool of $8,352,200 to spend on their 10 picks in the first 10 rounds (or $8,769,810 when you consider the additional 5% overage without forfeiting a future draft pick). The Cubs have the 6th highest bonus pool in the draft.

Pick # 4 $4,621,200
Pick # 45 $1,250,400
Pick # 78 $714,900
Pick #109 $480,600
Pick #139 $359,900
Pick #169 $269,500
Pick #199 $201,900
Pick #229 $191,800
Pick #259 $151,000
Pick #289 $141,000

Any team that exceed their bonus pools: a 75 percent tax on a 0-5 percent overage; the loss of a first-round pick and a 75 percent tax for more than 5 and up to 10 percent; the loss of first- and second-rounders and a 100 percent tax for more than 10 and up to 15 percent; and the loss of two-first-rounders and a 100 percent tax for more than 15 percent. Here is a link to all teams’ bonus pools.

Draft Boards:

Here is a link to Baseball America's top 500 prospects.

Here is a link to MLB.com's (Jim Callis/Jonathan Mayo) top 200 prospects.

Here is a link to Scout.com's (Kiley McDaniel) top 291 prospects.

Here is a link to Perfect Game's top 300 prospects.

Here is a link to ESPN's (Keith Law) top 100 prospects.

Mock Drafts:

The final Baseball America mock draft has the Cubs taking Oregon State OF Michael Conforto:

4. CUBS: This may be where the draft really starts. The Cubs want Aiken or Rodon to fall to them, and in a different draft system, they could make it happen with a giant bonus promise. In this system, they might be reduced to seeing who’ll take a cost-saving bonus at No. 4 that would allow them to pay above-slot bonuses later to high-ceiling high school pitchers such as Jack Flaherty, Michael Kopech or Joey Gatto. If Nick Gordon will take a haircut, he makes more sense than the college bats in the mix such as Michael Conforto and Kyle Schwarber. But Gordon would likely fall only one spot, while Conforto and Schwarber won’t go higher than eight if they don’t go at four.
Projected Pick: OF Michael Conforto


MLB.com's Jim Callis' final mock has the Cubs taking Michael Conforto:

4. Cubs: Michael Conforto, OF, Oregon State
The Cubs covet pitching, but if Aiken and Rodon aren't available, they likely will take a position player over Kolek or Nola. The Cubs would bypass Jackson to take Olympia High (Orlando, Fla.) shortstop Nick Gordon if they consider only talent. They're also mulling a discounted deal with one of four college position players, then using the savings to sign pitchers taken later in the Draft. Conforto and Kennesaw State catcher Max Pentecost are higher in Chicago's pecking order than Indiana catcher/outfielder Kyle Schwarber and North Carolina State shortstop Trea Turner.


MLB.com 'sJonathan Mayo's final mock has the Cubs taking Indiana C/1B/OF Kyle Schwarber:

4. Chicago Cubs: Kyle Schwarber, C, Indiana
Ideally, the Cubs would like Rodon or Aiken to somehow get here. If they are gone, though, the Cubs could go off the board a bit with a college hitter, perhaps saving money to be more aggressive later on.


Keith Law's final mock draft has the Cubs going with Michael Conforto.

Michael Conforto
SCHOOL: Oregon State HT: 6-1 WT: 215 POS: OF
Analysis: Brady Aiken stops here. The Cubs are also considering other college bats, including Kyle Schwarber, Max Pentecost and Trea Turner, but Conforto is the most likely candidate.


The final Perfect Game/Baseball Prospectus mock has the Cubs taking Florida prep SS Nick Gordon:

NICK GORDON - SS - Olympia (Fla.) HS
In an ideal world, the Cubs would have a chance to take either Aiken or Rodon, and they may have a chance at Rodon should the Marlins select Alex Jackson. Recent word indicates that they've focused their attention on Nick Gordon, which may indicate they know how the top of the draft is going to shake out.


Scout.com's Kiley McDaniel also has the Cubs taking Michael Conforto.

ANALYSIS: This pick shouldn't be affected by what happens above them as the Cubs aren't on Kolek and it's hard to see Aiken or Rodon geting here; Rodon's price tag may cause the Cubs to pass, but they would take Aiken. Kolek isn't in play here and Nola also seems to have become a secondary option behind the three college bats the Cubs have zoomed in on: Michael Conforto, Kyle Schwarber and Max Pentecost. Pentecost sounds like the third option and Conforto is slightly more likely than Schwarber.

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby Tim » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:24 pm

Thanks! Figured you were going to post something along those lines, but didn't see a thread yet.
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See first post.

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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:33 pm

[expletive] pitchers in the top-10 forever.

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Postby Tim » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:33 pm

I LOVE hearing the first thing in an interview being, "I model my game after Joey Votto."
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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby StarlinOnYou » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:34 pm

I can't say I like this pick ..ugh.

Just the thought we picked #4 and ended up with Schwarber sucks.

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Postby The-Kris-Bryant » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:35 pm

114 BB. 89 K. 39 HR. About damn time we have a guy who knows how to walk.

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Postby Tim » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:36 pm

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Postby The-Kris-Bryant » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:38 pm

Tim wrote:Power
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The plate discipline excites me more.

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Postby XZero77 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:39 pm

I am fine with this. He seems to have an advanced approach, and could be a fast mover.

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby toonsterwu » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:41 pm

StarlinOnYou wrote:I can't say I like this pick ..ugh.

Just the thought we picked #4 and ended up with Schwarber sucks.


It wasn't my favorite option, but ... with Rodon/Aiken/Kolek off the board, it's basically a mishmash of talent. I was sort of growing towards preferring Pentecost or even Nola, but really, there wasn't 1-2 guys that stood out from what was left. Being at 4 wasn't the best spot this year, in the end. With a lot of arm depth, if Schwarber saves them money and allows them to be aggressive after other guys later, then okay. Let's just wait and see how it plays out. By most accounts, there should be some good arms there in the 2nd to pick from.

Edit: As a total side note, find it funny that Mayo was the only one that got it right in the "final" mocks, before putting out a final mock that went with Conforto.

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby Enn Tea » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:43 pm

I dont love this pick, but i assume he'll be traded before he makes the majors anyway. Mlb had jackson rated much higher, why wouldnt we take him instead?

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Postby Tim » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:44 pm

XZero77 wrote:I am fine with this. He seems to have an advanced approach, and could be a fast mover.

That all depends on whether they want him to stay at catcher. If he moves to LF right away, he'll be in the majors in 2017. It could take longer if they want to keep him at C.
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Postby StarlinOnYou » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:45 pm

toonsterwu wrote:
StarlinOnYou wrote:I can't say I like this pick ..ugh.

Just the thought we picked #4 and ended up with Schwarber sucks.


It wasn't my favorite option, but ... with Rodon/Aiken/Kolek off the board, it's basically a mishmash of talent. I was sort of growing towards preferring Pentecost or even Nola, but really, there wasn't 1-2 guys that stood out from what was left. Being at 4 wasn't the best spot this year, in the end. With a lot of arm depth, if Schwarber saves them money and allows them to be aggressive after other guys later, then okay. Let's just wait and see how it plays out. By most accounts, there should be some good arms there in the 2nd to pick from.

Edit: As a total side note, find it funny that Mayo was the only one that got it right in the "final" mocks, before putting out a final mock that went with Conforto.


I have hopes for this pick, my preference would have been elsewhere. I was probably too pessimistic in my original post. I just would have preferred others (specifically Gordon).

It seems we got very unlucky with the Hoffman injury.

I am hopeful we can get some good arms later.

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby Fro » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:46 pm

http://scoop.hoosiershq.com/2014/06/liv ... more-30318

I asked the beat writers from the Bloomington Herald-Times earlier today about Schwarber. They're pretty positive about what they've heard from scouts about him 1) having a chance to play catcher and stick in the MLB, and 2) being able to play LF if needed.

QUESTION: Where do you think Kyle Schwarber will be drafted tonight in the MLB draft? Have you heard any rumors from the Indiana side of things as to what teams are interested in him? Do you think he will be able to play catcher or left field at the major league level?


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JEREMY: Jeff,
Reports I’ve seen would indicate Schwarber goes in the top 10. Dustin probably has studied the details a little more.

In my opinion, Schwarber winds up in left field. That’s in part because he has the athletic ability to do so and also because his bat is probably not that far from major league ready. His catching, on the other hand, probably has a bit more work to do, not that it’s out of the question. If a team wants his bat in the majors sooner than later, left field is probably the spot, though having a big bat at the catcher position is a luxury any team would love to have. Just my two cents.
DUSTIN: Talked to a scout about that this week. He works for an American League club with a pick near the bottom of the draft and he doesn’t expect Schwarber to be available when his team picks. CBS Sports.com actually has him going to the Chicago Cubs at No. 4. USA Today has him going No. 23 to the Tigers. I’ve seen him going to the Pittsburgh Pirates at No. 24 and a lot of other places in between. He might be the best college bat in the draft, although I don’t think he’ll go higher than Michael Conforto of Oregon State because Conforto is the better all-around player. he definitely won’t slip out of the first round.
I don’t know if he’ll be able to catch or not. Scouts are kind of 50-50 on that. Based on what I’m hearing, teams will let him at least try to catch when he starts his professional career, and if they decide from what they see then that he can’t do it then they’ll make a move. His bat is such that they’ll find a place for him. Left field is kind of an option � though he isn’t great there � but he could play first base as well. But have heard indications that he will at least have the chance to be a major league catcher.
ANDY: Jeff:

Saw a report last night that had Kyle projected at No. 4 to the Cubs (a fate I wouldn’t wish on anybody), but have seen him anywhere from there to around 20th, with most guesses around the 15-17 range. He’s pretty much a certain first-round pick, it seems, and I would certainly think that is fully merited. And it seems major league scouts are pretty evenly split as to whether or not he’ll catch or play outfield (or even end up at first base.)


Needless to say, I'm really excited about the pick as an IU fan/alum. He's got a fantastic approach, big power, great character, etc. I think he's a slam dunk to be at least a productive major leaguer.
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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby XZero77 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:47 pm

Enn Tea wrote:I dont love this pick, but i assume he'll be traded before he makes the majors anyway. Mlb had jackson rated much higher, why wouldnt we take him instead?


I don't see that at all. I think part of the reason they took him is that he's advanced, and could be on the big club soon. If they were looking for trade bait, they'd have taken one of the guys who were ranked higher.

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:49 pm

Enn Tea wrote:I dont love this pick, but i assume he'll be traded before he makes the majors anyway. Mlb had jackson rated much higher, why wouldnt we take him instead?


Because I hate our stupid front office but holy balls they better know more than whoever makes the draft rankings for MLB.com

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:49 pm

@jazayerli: Kyle Schwarber models his game after Joey Votto? No wonder the Cubs took him. #OBP


Heh.

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby CubinNY » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:49 pm

XZero77 wrote:I am fine with this. He seems to have an advanced approach, and could be a fast mover.

Me too. We'll make the 29 Yankees look like the 2014 Cubs.

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:50 pm

@ProfessorParks: Interesting move by #Cubs. I like it. Save some money, get a good stick, go heavy on the depth later on. Its smart.

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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby Bruno7481 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:50 pm

Tracy Smith, Schwarber's head coach at IU is a former minor leaguer and scout for the Cubs.

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Postby Bunts Lick Butts » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:51 pm

Schwarber is cool with me. fat guy, good name, likes to walk and hit dongs. what's not to like?
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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:52 pm

How much under slot do you think he will sign for and/or how much in savings would be needed to get a tough sign? Couple 100k or are we talking $1 mil+?
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Re: 2014 Cubs Pick Discussion

Postby mul21 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:55 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:@ProfessorParks: Interesting move by #Cubs. I like it. Save some money, get a good stick, go heavy on the depth later on. Its smart.


Yeah, with all the carnage on the pitcher front I'm really preferring this strategy unless there's a sure thing like Prior or Strasburg.
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