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Little league Champs

Postby Crack Wilson » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:54 am

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Chicago's Jackie Robinson West, USA Little League Champs.

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby UMFan83 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:03 pm

No one posted about this and JRW was doing just fine. Then you go ahead and create a thread on it and they are about to lose. This is on you.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby bukie » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:30 am

They've been stripped of their title and must forfeit all their wins because they weren't using players from their district. It was a running joke throughout the year the past few years in the area anyway, but it's a shame for the kids.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby Deeg » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:53 am

Cheating in f*ing Little League. We see it over and over, but it never fails to disgust (or surprise) me.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:16 am

Feel bad for the kids. They didn't do anything wrong and now they have to live with it. Meanwhile the people that cheated got to profit off of them.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby Brian707 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:03 am

UMFan83 wrote:Feel bad for the kids. They didn't do anything wrong and now they have to live with it. Meanwhile the people that cheated got to profit off of them.



This, and I would add ESPN.

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby treebird » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:23 am

the kids still got to be famous and destroy everyone and have the most fun in the world. i also don't think there's going to be any major stigma down the road either ("i'm sorry, we didn't realize you were on that cheating baseball team when you were 12, we're going to have to revoke your medical license now").

i think it's a fair trade-off for the kids.

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby OleMissCub » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:53 am

god knows teams like Japan and Chinese-Tapei aren't cheating. Some of the kids they roll out look like they are 15.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:54 am

It was my hometown that ratted them out, bitter that they lost 43-2.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby OleMissCub » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:32 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:It was my hometown that ratted them out, bitter that they lost 43-2.


No run rule?
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:34 pm

That was in 4 innings.

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby ConstableRabbit » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:51 pm

Not that they are to blame, but I have a hard time believing that bunch of 11 to 13 year olds from the burbs had no idea that they weren't supposed to be playing on a city team. They're not the responsible party but they're also not stupid.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby dcvalpo » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:52 pm

This press conference is a disgrace.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby ConstableRabbit » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:58 pm

Did those behind this cheating scheme even get anything other than notoriety from the win? Were they paid out? Did they get better jobs?

The whole thing seems really stupid.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:27 pm

Holy crap is this thing bringing out a lot of stupid flying from all directions. A pox on all of them.

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby apete6 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:56 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:Did those behind this cheating scheme even get anything other than notoriety from the win? Were they paid out? Did they get better jobs?

The whole thing seems really stupid.


Yes. Several hundred thousand dollars were donated to the JRW program. I'm pretty damn sure it's not going to all be spent on new batting cages and uniforms.

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby treebird » Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:48 pm

petition to change thread title to little league chumps

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby bukie » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:30 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:It was my hometown that ratted them out, bitter that they lost 43-2.

Wait, Evergreen Park did this? Okay now I feel bad for JRW. EPs league was the worst to deal with in the district.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby ConstableRabbit » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:33 pm

apete6 wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:Did those behind this cheating scheme even get anything other than notoriety from the win? Were they paid out? Did they get better jobs?

The whole thing seems really stupid.


Yes. Several hundred thousand dollars were donated to the JRW program. I'm pretty damn sure it's not going to all be spent on new batting cages and uniforms.

Sure, but I'd imagine the donors had stipulations around their donations, right? People were donating money to pay the coaches? I'm not sure what kind of oversight is involved with little league, but irrespective of any cheating that would feel... illegal.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby Deeg » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:17 pm

OleMissCub wrote:god knows teams like Japan and Chinese-Tapei aren't cheating. Some of the kids they roll out look like they are 15.


Nope. Not in the case of the Japanese, anyway. There's no country in the world with more thorough, accurate and verifiable record-keeping than Japan - it's an obsession. Also - you may not have noticed, but the average Japanese kid in the LLWS weighs about 90 pounds. Sure you get the occasional outlier but you have to remember, this is a regional all-star team, and Japan has well over 100 million people.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby CubinNY » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:34 pm

Deeg wrote:
Nope. Not in the case of the Japanese, anyway. There's no country in the world with more thorough, accurate and verifiable record-keeping than Japan - it's an obsession.


Germany laughs at Japan's record keeping ability.

Edit: Anyway, all these teams cheat in small ways and not so small ways, I'd say the JRW team cheated in a medium size way. It's the way of the world of youth sports.

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:53 pm

These kids still [expletive] rule; who gives a [expletive] about stupid little league rules.

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Re: Little league Champs

Postby Deeg » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:11 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:These kids still [expletive] rule; who gives a [expletive] about stupid little league rules.


I don't even know where to begin with that one.
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby Sammy's Boombox » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:04 pm

Andrew McCutchen wrote this. There is a lot of good stuff in this article and it's all true.

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/left-out/

Now it’s a sport that increasingly freezes out kids whose parents don’t have the income to finance the travel baseball circuit.
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That’s the challenge for families today. It’s not about the $100 bat. It’s about the $100-a-night motel room and the $30 gas money and the $300 tournament fee.
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When people talk about the Jackie Robinson West team and blame the adults who took in kids from outside the boundaries that the Little League organization set, remember that those adults may be saviors to those kids. They’re the ones buying them shoes when they need it or an extra protein drink after the game.
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People talk about the big, guaranteed money in baseball, and I certainly feel blessed that I am where I am now. But people don’t look at it through the eyes of a 17-year-old kid. You’re looking at maybe five years of minor league ball, and then you could be tendered, non-tendered, they can re-sign you for a year. You might be making anywhere from 10 to 50 grand in the minors. If you’re lucky enough to get a bonus, you can live well off that money if you spread it out. But just remember, there’s up to 40 rounds in the draft. Most guys are struggling.
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After three years in the majors, you finally get to arbitration. Basically, by the sixth year in the big leagues, you get your first big contract — if you make it that far. Imagine explaining this confusing process to a 17-year-old kid whose family is just trying to put food on the table. “So you wanna play baseball now?”
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Re: Little league Champs

Postby bhogg » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:07 pm

He's full of crap. I've coached for 20 years. I've bought more than my fair share of shoes, bats, uniforms, and entry fees for kids that couldn't afford to play.

And I miraculously managed to do it without breaking the rules of the organization we were playing.


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