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Postby Cubbie Swagger » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:16 pm

So...

I want to know why it is okay to feed your kids truckloads of processed food and sugar, park them in front of the TV all day because you're too lazy or busy to raise them, and then give them speed for their "ADHD" and Prozac for their "depression". Then when they can't sleep from the speed, you put them on Ambien. And we call this "medicine".

Here's a fact that almost nobody in this country seems to be aware of: More than 90% of the serotonin in your body is produced in your gut. NOT your brain. Given this fact, is it that crazy to think that your diet might play a role in your serotonin production, and subsequently, the way you feel?

Yes, of course it is no secret that a clean diet and exercise improve your health. Most folks don't realize the extent of the problem, though. Most only associate poor diet and lack of exercise with being fat, heart attacks, diabetes, etc. The truth is that a staggering percentage of health problems in our society are caused by what we eat, along with the other stuff we put into our body, and over-exposure to electronic media.

When people get prescribed an SSRI, for example, they don't actually get any serotonin testing done or anything. The chemical imbalance theory is just a theory. It has never been proven, yet it seems so many people these days consider it "common knowledge". People go to the doctor because they have depression or anxiety or whatever, and the doctor says, "Oh, you have a genetic chemical imbalance". If they told you the problem could most likely be fixed with proper diet, exercise, regular sleep, spending time outside in the sun, etc... they wouldn't make any money. If they write you a prescription, they keep you coming back every week or every month or whatever to get your dope. It's not a conspiracy, it's just common horsefeathering sense.

I will give an example from my own life, for anyone who may be interested. I have had a great deal of negative medical experiences in my life, but this was the first event that caused me to wake up and change my life around:

When I was 21, I was in absolutely great physical shape. 6'1", 189 lbs, and absolutely ripped. I could dunk a small ball on a 10 foot rim. For someone to even suggest that I was unhealthy would have seemed absurd to me. One day, in the middle of lifting, I experienced an EXTREME headache. I have had migraines before, but this was worse. It was this throbbing pain like you couldn't imagine. I dropped to the ground and wrapped my arms around my head. That's how bad it was. I went home and took it easy the rest of the day. By the next morning, the pain had gone away, but I still felt kinda weak. I decided to go back to the gym and try to do some light lifting and see what happened. After only a few reps, the pain was back. At this point I was a little scared, and also pretty bummed, since I was so addicted to lifting at the time. I went back home to relax once again.

Later that evening, I am sitting there on my computer, and suddenly I start feeling very strange. I start to feel even weaker, and I become extremely confused mentally. It was like my brain shut off and I couldn't form thoughts. I went upstairs to the kitchen and told my family I was feeling really weird. The next thing I remember, I was waking up on the kitchen floor, with blood everywhere. I woke up completely disoriented. I didn't know where I was or what had happened. I didn't know why my family was standing over me. They looked terrified. They said I just dropped to the ground and banged my head off the floor, and was unconscious for about 60 seconds. Then, they said I started seizing, and woke back up. My dad asked me if I wanted to go to the ER, and I said, "uh, yeah, we better do that".

At the hospital, I felt completely brain dead. I had a serious concussion, so I pretty much felt [expletive]. For some reason, they had me in the heart wing. They thought I might have a heart problem that was causing my brain to not get enough blood flow. I stayed there for 4 days, and they used every machine in the building on me. I had 2 MRI's, an MRA, 2 EEG's, and an EKG. On one of the EEG's, they said they detected seizure activity, but they couldn't come up with even one single guess as to why it was happening. So, after 4 days, they told me I was epileptic, and that it must be genetic, since they couldn't find any obvious cause. They literally gave me a giant bottle of horse pills, and told me to take 3 of them a day for the rest of my life. They told me I couldn't drive anymore, because I was a risk to others. They told me I couldn't drink alcohol or exercise ever again. They coached me on how to live with epilepsy as far as preventing dangerous falls, etc. I was obviously pretty bummed about this. To be told that I can't drive, exercise, or drink anymore was like a death sentence. But, at that point, I thought the doctors knew best.

After I came home from the hospital, I was still having seizures. I was also having strange side effects from the medication. After a couple months, I scheduled an appointment to go back and re-assess the situation. I can't put into words how stupid and meaningless this appointment was. I told the doctor I was still having seizures, and that I was having side effects from the pills. She said, "oh, okay, well then we try this one". Her job as a doctor literally consisted of reading off a list of pills. First you try this one, if it doesn't work, you try #2 on the list. I kept insisting that I wanted to know WHY I was having seizures, and fix the problem, rather than just playing trial and error with pills. We eventually got a little bit pissed at each other and that was the end of the meeting.

Shortly after that, I was talking to a couple hippie friends of mine. At first, I honestly thought these guys were nuts. Their ideas were a little too far out for me, but I was at a point where I was willing to try just about anything. What they told me was that my seizures were being caused by a combination of 2 things: 1) My extremely poor diet, and 2) The antibiotic medication that I had been taking for my acne since I was in 7th grade. Like I said, I was in great physical shape, but only because I was out-training my diet. I was eating fast food every single day, drinking soda by the 2 liter, etc.

So, all at once, I did the following things: I quit my seizure meds cold turkey, I quit my acne medication cold turkey, and I started eating a clean organic diet. Meat, veggies, rice, etc. No sugar, no processed food. The results were almost unbelievable. My seizures completely went away. I have not had one in over 5 years. My acne went away. I started feeling happier and more energetic than I ever knew possible. My anxiety, depression, and insomnia were all greatly reduced. I felt like it was a miracle. I went from thinking my life was over, to feeling like I was on top of the world. I've driven thousands of miles all over the country, I go to Sluggers and get as wasted as I want to get, I lift heavy weight at the gym, and I take absolutely no medication.

As you might imagine, this experience changed the way I think about life and about medical practice.

Now, don't get me wrong. We need doctors. And we need pills. When it comes to things like surgery, broken bones, physical therapy, legit diseases, etc... you better get your ass to a doctor. But there are many health problems that can be cured by simply taking control of your life. The problem is that in our culture, everybody wants the quick fix. Everybody wants to just take a pill and magically be better. There are lots of people out there who are truly better off on medication, but I am a firm believer that pills should not be the first course of treatment. They should be the last course of treatment, after you have eliminated the obvious variables in your life.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:17 pm

cool story bro


but I preferred the food and beverage stuff
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:25 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:cool story bro


How much YOU lift, bro?

Trust me, I'm a 21-year-old powerlifter.
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Postby UMFan83 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:27 pm

No no no no no, this is all wrong.

You go to SLUGGERS to get wasted?
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Postby CubInOK » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:29 pm

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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:30 pm

Okay I can totally buy that medicine has blind spots and weaknesses. And yea, lifestyle can help A TON (that said behavior is really hard to change, so the quick fix is better than nothing).

However in the other thread you went rambling into conspiracy theory land where the entire industry just has a vested interest in making you sick so they can keep making money off you, unless you're rich and powerful and get the real treatment.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:17 pm

Just quickly off the top of my head:

-What your friends suggested doesn't seem out there at all; prescription acne medication is INCREDIBLY powerful stuff and most people aren't on it for very long. That you were on it from 7th grade to age 21 is pretty unusual, and if you weren't getting that monitored during that time that's a HUGE mistake. Because of how strong those meds are you typically need regular blood tests 2-4 times a year. Couple that with an insane diet of nothing but junk food and an obsession with working out and it doesn't take some hippie-dippie, New Age-y-type of thinking to realizing you were living a VERY problematic lifestyle.

-Getting mad at a doctor for wanting to try different medications seems incredibly counter-productive; we often have many options for medications, and everyone reacts differently to them, or different dosages, and it often takes multiple tries to figure out what works best. You were frustrated with the medication they had you taking for seizures, but then didn't want to try any other medicinal options that might be better.

-Trying to treat something with medication last instead of first is completely backwards; dealing with extreme seizures like you were is something that you urgently need to get under control ASAP. Lifestyle changes are things that the vast majority of the time take time for you and your body to adjust to. Doing anything cold turkey usually isn't advisable unless your doctor clears it because it can be effectively a sudden shock to a system that's already vulnerable. Medication allows you to get the condition under control and then you can make lifestyle changes at a sensible pace. You keep working the issue, following up with your doctor and changing the medication, or even coming off of it. And speaking of follow-ups...

-That you describe the hospital staff as basically telling you what you'll be doing for the rest of your life with no other options sounds like complete bull horsefeathers. With seizures and epilepsy they're going to want you to follow up with a doctor regularly to monitor what's going on and how your body is reacting to the condition and any treatments. I mean, it's not impossible you just got some terrible doctors, but I'm having trouble believing they didn't refer you to follow up with your doctor and/or a specialist for what's a serious ongoing condition that was new to you.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:40 pm

Okay Sofa did it better than I did. +1
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Postby Cubbie Swagger » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:54 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:cool story bro


but I preferred the food and beverage stuff

Probably because this post is much more rational and fact-based. It's not quite as entertaining.

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jersey cubs fan wrote:cool story bro


How much YOU lift, bro?

Trust me, I'm a 21-year-old powerlifter.

The comments about my physical fitness were necessary to make my point that your physical appearance does not always correlate with your actual health. I wasn't bragging, especially considering the nice healthy beer belly I'm currently rocking.

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I know, that's how I feel about it, too. It's really horsefeathers up to give amphetamines to children.
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I know, that's how I feel about it, too. It's really [expletive] up to give amphetamines to children.

When it's the best treatment available for a disease that's actually caused by a brain deformity, no, it isn't horsefeathers up at all.

Amphetamines for a kid with ADHD actually get their brain working normally.
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CubInOK wrote:When it's the best treatment available for a disease that's actually caused by a brain deformity, no, it isn't [expletive] up at all.

Amphetamines for a kid with ADHD actually get their brain working normally.


Huh, so you're telling me you can't put drugs into a binary "good/bad" categorization without further context? Interesting.
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:08 pm

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Postby Cubbie Swagger » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:10 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Just quickly off the top of my head:

-What your friends suggested doesn't seem out there at all; prescription acne medication is INCREDIBLY powerful stuff and most people aren't on it for very long. That you were on it from 7th grade to age 21 is pretty unusual, and if you weren't getting that monitored during that time that's a HUGE mistake. Because of how strong those meds are you typically need regular blood tests 2-4 times a year. Couple that with an insane diet of nothing but junk food and an obsession with working out and it doesn't take some hippie-dippie, New Age-y-type of thinking to realizing you were living a VERY problematic lifestyle.

-Getting mad at a doctor for wanting to try different medications seems incredibly counter-productive; we often have many options for medications, and everyone reacts differently to them, or different dosages, and it often takes multiple tries to figure out what works best. You were frustrated with the medication they had you taking for seizures, but then didn't want to try any other medicinal options that might be better.

-Trying to treat something with medication last instead of first is completely backwards; dealing with extreme seizures like you were is something that you urgently need to get under control ASAP. Lifestyle changes are things that the vast majority of the time take time for you and your body to adjust to. Doing anything cold turkey usually isn't advisable unless your doctor clears it because it can be effectively a sudden shock to a system that's already vulnerable. Medication allows you to get the condition under control and then you can make lifestyle changes at a sensible pace. You keep working the issue, following up with your doctor and changing the medication, or even coming off of it. And speaking of follow-ups...

-That you describe the hospital staff as basically telling you what you'll be doing for the rest of your life with no other options sounds like complete bull [expletive]. With seizures and epilepsy they're going to want you to follow up with a doctor regularly to monitor what's going on and how your body is reacting to the condition and any treatments. I mean, it's not impossible you just got some terrible doctors, but I'm having trouble believing they didn't refer you to follow up with your doctor and/or a specialist for what's a serious ongoing condition that was new to you.

Just for the record, I was not taking Accutane, which is what you are likely thinking of with regards to acne medication. That's the really dangerous one that requires blood tests. I was on a simple antibiotic, which, over time, depleted my immune system. That fact that I should not have been on them for so long is obviously correct, but tell that to the doctor who was prescribing them. I kept going back to get my refills, and he never said one word about side effects or follow-up testing or anything of that nature. Do you see what I'm getting at? He just wanted to keep billing my insurance.

The doctor appointment that I referenced WAS the follow-up treatment. The reason I got frustrated is because they kept telling me that there were no treatment options besides trying different medications. They had already done every test they could. How else do you think they treat epilepsy? Pills are essentially the only accepted treatment. So, yes, I had the option of continuing these type of appointments, but elected not to after deciding that they were not going to go anywhere. I could have kept trying meds until I (hopefully) found one that worked with minimal side effects, but I'm sure as horsefeathers glad I didn't settle for that option.

I shouldn't say that medication should always be the last resort in every situation. That was a bit dramatic. Sometimes it certainly makes sense to use a medication right off the bat. But can you disagree that many people sell themselves short by going for the quick fix? Also, I'm well aware that cold turkeying any sort of medication is ill-advised, and that blatantly disregarding the advice of your doctors can be dangerous. But, it obviously worked out for me.

As far as the conspiracy aspect... don't take me too literally. I don't think there are a bunch of guys sitting around a table going, "okay, so how can we keep people sick?". What I'm saying is this: all of the literature in medical school is written by the pharma companies. The textbooks are literally designed to sell drugs. They teach almost no nutrition in medical school. Doesn't that tell you something? It's not that they are trying to keep people sick, they just aren't really interested in doing anything that doesn't make them richer.
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Postby Cubbie Swagger » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:12 pm

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I know, that's how I feel about it, too. It's really [expletive] up to give amphetamines to children.

When it's the best treatment available for a disease that's actually caused by a brain deformity, no, it isn't [expletive] up at all.

Amphetamines for a kid with ADHD actually get their brain working normally.

How many kids taking Adderall and Ritalin actually have a confirmed brain deformity? Almost zero.

I took Adderall every day as a kid, and nobody ever checked my brain out. The one and only reason I was put on it is because my grades sucked. I'm not convinced ADHD is even a real condition. I think it is mostly caused by poor diet and over-exposure to electronic media.

And, for the record, I am one of the people that speed supposedly "helps". It calms me down and actually helps me sleep, if you can believe that.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:18 pm

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I know, that's how I feel about it, too. It's really [expletive] up to give amphetamines to children.

When it's the best treatment available for a disease that's actually caused by a brain deformity, no, it isn't [expletive] up at all.

Amphetamines for a kid with ADHD actually get their brain working normally.


I mean, I get where he's coming from to a point; a lot of the ADHD drugs were hugely over-prescribed in the 80's and 90's, and that's definitely the case still with a lot of emotional and behavioral drugs. He just seems to be taking this absolutist approach that he seems to apply to everything; he's effectively extrapolating his own extreme behavior and habits and applying it to medical treatments thinking everyone sees and does things like he does.
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Postby CubInOK » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:23 pm

Cubbie Swagger wrote:I took Adderall every day as a kid, and nobody ever checked my brain out. The one and only reason I was put on it is because my grades sucked. I'm not convinced ADHD is even a real condition. I think it is mostly caused by poor diet and over-exposure to electronic media.

I get the feeling you have no idea what ADHD actually is, or what it leads to, or even anything about non-medicinal ways to treat it.

Since you won't even entertain the idea that ADHD is a real condition, you're not worth arguing with. You may now go back to reading a book about vaccines written by Jay Cutler's wife.
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Postby Cubbie Swagger » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:29 pm

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Cubbie Swagger wrote:I took Adderall every day as a kid, and nobody ever checked my brain out. The one and only reason I was put on it is because my grades sucked. I'm not convinced ADHD is even a real condition. I think it is mostly caused by poor diet and over-exposure to electronic media.

I get the feeling you have no idea what ADHD actually is, or what it leads to, or even anything about non-medicinal ways to treat it.

Since you won't even entertain the idea that ADHD is a real condition, you're not worth arguing with. You may now go back to reading a book about vaccines written by Jay Cutler's wife.

I never said I wouldn't entertain the idea. I said I am not yet convinced.

Here is what I know for a fact: the vast majority of ADHD cases are misdiagnosed. I'm not shooting down the possibility that there might be a few legit cases mixed in there. But, like I said before, nobody actually gets tested for brain deformities or chemical imbalances.

If you're going to tell me your kids have a brain deformity, you better be basing it on SOMETHING. Otherwise, it sounds like you're just trying to justify giving them speed.
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Cubbie Swagger wrote:
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Cubbie Swagger wrote:I took Adderall every day as a kid, and nobody ever checked my brain out. The one and only reason I was put on it is because my grades sucked. I'm not convinced ADHD is even a real condition. I think it is mostly caused by poor diet and over-exposure to electronic media.

I get the feeling you have no idea what ADHD actually is, or what it leads to, or even anything about non-medicinal ways to treat it.

Since you won't even entertain the idea that ADHD is a real condition, you're not worth arguing with. You may now go back to reading a book about vaccines written by Jay Cutler's wife.

I never said I wouldn't entertain the idea. I said I am not yet convinced.

Here is what I know for a fact: the vast majority of ADHD cases are misdiagnosed. I'm not shooting down the possibility that there might be a few legit cases mixed in there. But, like I said before, nobody actually gets tested for brain deformities or chemical imbalances.

If you're going to tell me your kids have a brain deformity, you better be basing it on SOMETHING. Otherwise, it sounds like you're just trying to justify giving them speed.


Ok look....can you stop saying things like they're facts when they're not? Cuz that's really the biggest problem you're having in all these threads.

In 2010, there was 4.5 million kids under 18 diagnosed with ADHD. This article says around a million may be misdiagnosed. So your "vast majority" statement is nonsense. The "few legit" cases are still in the millions....not a few.

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:35 pm

Cubbie Swagger wrote:Just for the record, I was not taking Accutane, which is what you are likely thinking of with regards to acne medication. That's the really dangerous one that requires blood tests. I was on a simple antibiotic, which, over time, depleted my immune system. That fact that I should not have been on them for so long is obviously correct, but tell that to the doctor who was prescribing them. I kept going back to get my refills, and he never said one word about side effects or follow-up testing or anything of that nature. Do you see what I'm getting at? He just wanted to keep billing my insurance.


Accutane is one of them, sure, but if you weren't on any of the ones on that level I seriously doubt an "acne antibiotic" actually "depleted your immune system." Did you ever get any confirmation via tests that this was the case? Or are you simply going with the confirmation bias that because you stopped taking it in addition to some pretty drastic lifestyle changes, then your hippie friends must have been right and an acne antibiotic was inexplicably sucking the life from your immune system? What seems far more likely is that eating junk food daily and then countering that with extreme amounts of working out is what was playing havoc with your system and effectively caused it to snap. How do you know your doctor didn't follow up on these side effects if they're not even side effects that the drug could possibly cause? Is this a drug that has ever been known to cause seizures or epilepsy?

The doctor appointment that I referenced WAS the follow-up treatment. The reason I got frustrated is because they kept telling me that there were no treatment options besides trying different medications. They had already done every test they could. How else do you think they treat epilepsy? Pills are essentially the only accepted treatment. So, yes, I had the option of continuing these type of appointments, but elected not to after deciding that they were not going to go anywhere. I could have kept trying meds until I (hopefully) found one that worked with minimal side effects, but I'm sure as [expletive] glad I didn't settle for that option.


You made it very clearly sound like the hospital staff were just sending you on your way with a lifetime dependence on medicine and that this visit was something you decided to do. And why is trying different medications something you automatically pushed back on? You try different medicines to find out which one or ones work best and most effectively and help you treat your condition. You're making it sound like you just flatly refused accepted that as an option...why?

I shouldn't say that medication should always be the last resort in every situation. That was a bit dramatic. Sometimes it certainly makes sense to use a medication right off the bat. But can you disagree that many people sell themselves short by going for the quick fix? Also, I'm well aware that cold turkeying any sort of medication is ill-advised, and that blatantly disregarding the advice of your doctors can be dangerous. But, it obviously worked out for me.


The bold part makes absolutely no sense; why is a "quick fix" way to treat and manage medical conditions a bad thing? That's the smart way to allow yourself to make the necessary lifestyle changes to manage, reduce or get off of the medication down the line. And we have no idea what worked out for you; are you actually still seeing doctors? What do your tests say? If you're clear along those lines, hey, that's a great lucky break, but it still seems odd you're zeroing in on an acne medication as being the likely culprit as opposed to the absurdly unhealthy lifestyle you were living. Plus I don't believe for a second that if you had told a doctor that you lived on junk food and extreme workouts that they would have said anything along the lines of, "well, we have no idea what's wrong with you, so here's some medicine" and nothing else. Nobody told you that how you were living was horsefeathers up until your hippie friends did? Come on.

As far as the conspiracy aspect... don't take me too literally. I don't think there are a bunch of guys sitting around a table going, "okay, so how can we keep people sick?". What I'm saying is this: all of the literature in medical school is written by the pharma companies. The textbooks are literally designed to sell drugs. They teach almost no nutrition in medical school. Doesn't that tell you something? It's not that they are trying to keep people sick, they just aren't really interested in doing anything that doesn't make them richer.


Because medicine is far more effective, both quicker and for more people. Nutrition is something that is a long term, tailored lifestyle change, and I'd rather that remain the focus of nutritionists as opposed to general practitioners or internal medicine specialists and the like. Plus it's not like changing a lifestyle or your nutrition means you can just wave goodbye to seeing doctors. I mean, nobody is dismissing the profit aspect of all of this, but your conclusion seems based out of thinking this mystery "acne antibiotic" somehow gave you epilepsy and then you didn't want to bother trying to manage the condition with any kind of medication. You leaped from one extreme to another.
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Re: Western Medicine

Postby Cubbie Swagger » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:40 pm

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CubInOK wrote:I get the feeling you have no idea what ADHD actually is, or what it leads to, or even anything about non-medicinal ways to treat it.

Since you won't even entertain the idea that ADHD is a real condition, you're not worth arguing with. You may now go back to reading a book about vaccines written by Jay Cutler's wife.

I never said I wouldn't entertain the idea. I said I am not yet convinced.

Here is what I know for a fact: the vast majority of ADHD cases are misdiagnosed. I'm not shooting down the possibility that there might be a few legit cases mixed in there. But, like I said before, nobody actually gets tested for brain deformities or chemical imbalances.

If you're going to tell me your kids have a brain deformity, you better be basing it on SOMETHING. Otherwise, it sounds like you're just trying to justify giving them speed.


Ok look....can you stop saying things like they're facts when they're not? Cuz that's really the biggest problem you're having in all these threads.

In 2010, there was 4.5 million kids under 18 diagnosed with ADHD. This article says around a million may be misdiagnosed. So your "vast majority" statement is nonsense. The "few legit" cases are still in the millions....not a few.

http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2010/nearl ... with-adhd/

Okay, your analysis of that article is what is nonsense.

The article confirms that a million of those kids were misdiagnosed. Cool. What it does not do is confirm that those other 3.5 million kids have an actual brain deformity or chemical imbalance. So, they could very easily just be strung out on McDonald's, video games, and cell phones, like I said.
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