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Postby Forgotmyoldlogin » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:35 am



Two things I notice right away.

1. Teams can take up to 60 players but the Cubs are going with only 50 to start.

2. No Brandon Morrow.
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Re: Summer Camp 2020

Postby chopsx9 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:52 pm

Forgotmyoldlogin wrote:https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1277394046479216643?s=20

Two things I notice right away.

1. Teams can take up to 60 players but the Cubs are going with only 50 to start.

2. No Brandon Morrow.

I believe most teams are under the 60? You can add a player without having to expose another to waivers. Morrow is diabetic and opted out for health reasons I believe.
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Postby Brian » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:19 pm

Yeah I believe teams had to submit a roster by sometime yesterday but it didn't have to be complete, and you can add to it.
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Postby Bertz » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:22 pm

In the Athletic this morning they said the FO basically wants to wait til closer to opening day and see the level of attrition before decide whether those last ten spots will go to more prospecty types or more to veterans floating around.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:52 pm

As of last Friday you could make trades/signings too, probably is smart to keep a few spots open in case someone intriguing is cut or can be traded for. But also yeah what Bertz says, leave some spots open in case of injury/getting the virus and having to add more MLB ready guys vs bringing in guys more for development.
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Postby squally1313 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:03 pm

Something I hadn't really considered, and given that we haven't heard anything about it yet means probably nothing to worry about, but....Lester and Rizzo are both high risk right? Joe Ross and Ryan Zimmerman from the Nats just opted out, and Mike Leake for Arizona is also opting out.
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Postby UMFan83 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:20 pm

squally1313 wrote:Something I hadn't really considered, and given that we haven't heard anything about it yet means probably nothing to worry about, but....Lester and Rizzo are both high risk right? Joe Ross and Ryan Zimmerman from the Nats just opted out, and Mike Leake for Arizona is also opting out.


Yeah, definitely a concern but the way Rizzo has been working out during the hiatus, it doesn’t seem like he’s preparing to opt out. Lester has been interviewed a few times too and also doesn’t seem hesitant. That said, things might have changed since the MLB isn’t going the bubble route. If they do opt out, I 100% support it obviously
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Postby snoodmonger » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:53 pm

Are recovered cancer patients in current good health actually higher risk? I have never seen a clear answer on this. My sister is a breast cancer survivor--it's been over 10 years now since she beat it--and her doctors haven't had an elevated level of concern for her.
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:59 pm

snoodmonger wrote:Are recovered cancer patients in current good health actually higher risk? I have never seen a clear answer on this. My sister is a breast cancer survivor--it's been over 10 years now since she beat it--and her doctors haven't had an elevated level of concern for her.


Not sure, but I did see an article from Heyman after my above post that said that Rizzo would be in the group that could opt out without risk of losing their prorated salary or service time but that at this point he plans to play.
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Postby Regular Show » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:08 pm

UMFan83 wrote:
snoodmonger wrote:Are recovered cancer patients in current good health actually higher risk? I have never seen a clear answer on this. My sister is a breast cancer survivor--it's been over 10 years now since she beat it--and her doctors haven't had an elevated level of concern for her.


Not sure, but I did see an article from Heyman after my above post that said that Rizzo would be in the group that could opt out without risk of losing their prorated salary or service time but that at this point he plans to play.


How long has it been for Rizzo now? Just because you're a cancer survivor that wouldn't necessarily place you in a "high-risk" demographic unless you're still suffering side-effects from chemotherapy and/or immunocompromised. It's been many years for both Rizzo and Lester and I don't believe they qualify for that high-risk category.
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Postby squally1313 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:41 pm

This could definitely come off as ignorant, because it's basically just secondhand knowledge, but it's my understanding that extended chemo does some long term damage to your immune system and leaves you more susceptible to catching colds, flus, and something like COVID.
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Postby SparkMark1 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:25 pm

squally1313 wrote:This could definitely come off as ignorant, because it's basically just secondhand knowledge, but it's my understanding that extended chemo does some long term damage to your immune system and leaves you more susceptible to catching colds, flus, and something like COVID.



I'm no expert either, but I am a childhood leukemia survivor myself. I've always heard that the long term effects of chemo aren't really understood yet (maybe they are more now....I'm about 25 years removed from treatment). But, I personally haven't experienced getting sick at an increased level. Colds maybe a couple times a year (usually due to proximity of children), never got the flu. Covid is a different animal though.
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Postby squally1313 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:42 pm

SparkMark1 wrote:
squally1313 wrote:This could definitely come off as ignorant, because it's basically just secondhand knowledge, but it's my understanding that extended chemo does some long term damage to your immune system and leaves you more susceptible to catching colds, flus, and something like COVID.



I'm no expert either, but I am a childhood leukemia survivor myself. I've always heard that the long term effects of chemo aren't really understood yet (maybe they are more now....I'm about 25 years removed from treatment). But, I personally haven't experienced getting sick at an increased level. Colds maybe a couple times a year (usually due to proximity of children), never got the flu. Covid is a different animal though.


Got it, appreciate the insight. Would also wonder if there's a difference in terms of when you went through cancer/chemo....as a child, your immune system is still developing, getting stronger. Going through cancer at 19 (Rizzo) or 22 (Lester) when there isn't much growing to do could be different.

To your experience, I can't remember either Rizzo or Lester battling illness at any point (more of a KB thing) so maybe it's not really something to worry about.
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Postby Regular Show » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:18 pm

squally1313 wrote:
SparkMark1 wrote:
squally1313 wrote:This could definitely come off as ignorant, because it's basically just secondhand knowledge, but it's my understanding that extended chemo does some long term damage to your immune system and leaves you more susceptible to catching colds, flus, and something like COVID.



I'm no expert either, but I am a childhood leukemia survivor myself. I've always heard that the long term effects of chemo aren't really understood yet (maybe they are more now....I'm about 25 years removed from treatment). But, I personally haven't experienced getting sick at an increased level. Colds maybe a couple times a year (usually due to proximity of children), never got the flu. Covid is a different animal though.


Got it, appreciate the insight. Would also wonder if there's a difference in terms of when you went through cancer/chemo....as a child, your immune system is still developing, getting stronger. Going through cancer at 19 (Rizzo) or 22 (Lester) when there isn't much growing to do could be different.

To your experience, I can't remember either Rizzo or Lester battling illness at any point (more of a KB thing) so maybe it's not really something to worry about.


I asked my doctor friends and they really said it depends on the cancer and what stage it's at and the specific chemotherapy/cycles and the health of the patient before they undergo treatment. Many do suffer long-term side effects, but some side effects do go away like anemia.

It's really a case-by-case thing, but some young patients do make a full recovery and you would never suspect they had a childhood cancer if you met them.

A good friend of mine had testicular cancer when he was a teenager, caught it early and consulted doctors, underwent chemo and now he's not in a high-risk category for COVID-19 as an adult. I believe his immune system is perfectly fine, but he does have some GI issues.
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Postby Post Count Padder » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:05 pm

Different teams took differing approaches, with the Cubs among those wary of getting stuck with an over-stuffed 60-man unit. Hoyer says the Cubs elected to leave so many openings now to remain nimble as an unusual season unfolds. The idea is to have capacity to add depth as needed in a 60-game sprint. Ensuring adequate support for the active MLB roster is obviously the top priority, but Hoyer did note that the Cubs may ultimately add some more prospects to the pool for developmental reasons.

Of course, it may ultimately also be necessary to have prospects on the 60-man in order to structure deals for big league talent. Hoyer plainly believes there’s quite a lot of uncertain waters yet to be navigated. “I just don’t think we know what this is going to be like,” he said when asked about the August 31st trade deadline. 60-man pool flexibility could come in handy if the Cubbies end up being active in dealmaking, which Hoyer left open as a possibility. He says “it’s way too early to tell” how much mid-season player movement we’ll experience.

At the moment, anyway, it doesn’t seem the Cubs are holding spots open for any particular targets from outside the organization. Hoyer says the team is “not down the road” on bringing in any new talent.
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Postby Post Count Padder » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:05 pm

One important member of the Cubs organization won’t be anxiously awaiting the results of his test. Pitching coach Tommy Hottovy has already endured a bout with COVID-19, he tells 670 The Score’s Mully and Haugh (h/t Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune, via Twitter).

While Hottovy is no longer positive for the virus, he says he is still not fully back to himself. He’s through the worst of it, which required some time in the hospital, but is still struggling with lung function and cardiovascular fitness.

In yet another reminder of how insidious this particular disease can be, Hottovy says he had acted quite cautiously in public before coming down with it. Fortunately, he was able to self-isolate and avoid transmitting it to his family.

Hottovy was able to work with Cubs pitchers remotely even while battling the infection, so he’s ready to hit the ground running. He says the organization’s hurlers worked hard during the lockdown and should be well-prepared to tackle the 2020 campaign.
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Postby UMFan83 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:49 pm

And the first injury of Summer Camp 2020 goes to....



I'd imagine this will cause him to not be available on Opening Day unless he was already well into his throwing program during the hiatus.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:49 pm

UMFan83 wrote:And the first injury of Summer Camp 2020 goes to....



I'd imagine this will cause him to not be available on Opening Day unless he was already well into his throwing program during the hiatus.

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Postby Omar » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:48 pm

In MLB The Show, I am starting Jharel Cotton as my #5 instead of Tyler Chatwood. He's pretty decent in virtual fantasyland.
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Postby The Logan » Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:51 pm

Omar wrote:In MLB The Show, I am starting Jharel Cotton as my #5 instead of Tyler Chatwood. He's pretty decent in virtual fantasyland.


He's still on the team in my RTTS. He's mediocre, put up like a 4.25 ERA or something, but our offense is otherworldly so he went like 18-2 last season, lol.

Also odd, Ian Happ is rated as an 82 OVR but he keeps putting up insane WAR's. He's averaged like 6 WAR or more each year for the last 3 years, but nothing about his overall numbers (offense or defense) or his ratings suggest he's that good and I have no idea why. He's out WAR'ing Yelich who is putting up like .320/.400/1.000 with 40Hr and 100 RBI each season while Happ is putting up .280/.370/.900 with 25HR and 80RBI
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Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:51 pm

I'd prefer a three headed monster of Cotton/Mills/Alzolay over Chatwood. I just don't think he is gonna get the job done as a fifth starter. Maybe they'll do a piggyback situation.
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Postby David » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:53 pm

Chatwood is gonna be good and should've had a spot before the Quintana injury.
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