"Time makes fools of us all" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

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Re: "Time makes fools of us all" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby NOLA » Mon May 13, 2019 7:41 pm

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I know I sound like Jim Hendry, but I want that consistent leadoff hitter so bad. A guy who gets on base and has some speed.

Basically, I miss Dexter.

I think Dexter misses us.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon May 13, 2019 7:43 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:I said the same thing in the game thread; if they're not going to do the smart thing of batting some combo of Bryant, Rizzo, Baez and Contreras 1-4, then put Schwarber at the top since he's getting on base. Everyone else is worthless.


When healthy, Descalso has done a pretty nice job in the leadoff spot.

Eh, he isn’t really a leadoff hitter based on his career. He’s a fine PH option and starter 2-3 times a week and hitting 6th or lower.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon May 13, 2019 7:45 pm

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I know I sound like Jim Hendry, but I want that consistent leadoff hitter so bad. A guy who gets on base and has some speed.

Basically, I miss Dexter.

I’m pretty sure our revolving door leadoff spot has posted better numbers than Dexter every year since he’s left. But yes I get what you’re saying, just basic baseball intuition has me wanting a set guy there for ~145 games. We should trade for Haniger is what I’m saying.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon May 13, 2019 7:53 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I know I sound like Jim Hendry, but I want that consistent leadoff hitter so bad. A guy who gets on base and has some speed.

Basically, I miss Dexter.

I’m pretty sure our revolving door leadoff spot has posted better numbers than Dexter every year since he’s left. But yes I get what you’re saying, just basic baseball intuition has me wanting a set guy there for ~145 games. We should trade for Haniger is what I’m saying.


Fowler posted a .393 OBP in 2016. I'd be VERY curious to see if the Cubs' leadoff spot has topped that in the 2 full seasons since.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon May 13, 2019 7:56 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I know I sound like Jim Hendry, but I want that consistent leadoff hitter so bad. A guy who gets on base and has some speed.

Basically, I miss Dexter.

I’m pretty sure our revolving door leadoff spot has posted better numbers than Dexter every year since he’s left. But yes I get what you’re saying, just basic baseball intuition has me wanting a set guy there for ~145 games. We should trade for Haniger is what I’m saying.


Fowler posted a .393 OBP in 2016. I'd be VERY curious to see if the Cubs' leadoff spot has topped that in the 2 full season since.

I can try and figure it out tonight, have to head out to golf league soon. I’m almost positive I’ve seen tweets or mentions in articles our leadoff spot has been better than Dexter every year since he’s been a Cardinal. If someone wants to dig in to it before then feel free.
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Re: "Time makes fools of us all" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby squally1313 » Mon May 13, 2019 8:06 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:I’m pretty sure our revolving door leadoff spot has posted better numbers than Dexter every year since he’s left. But yes I get what you’re saying, just basic baseball intuition has me wanting a set guy there for ~145 games. We should trade for Haniger is what I’m saying.


Fowler posted a .393 OBP in 2016. I'd be VERY curious to see if the Cubs' leadoff spot has topped that in the 2 full season since.

I can try and figure it out tonight, have to head out to golf league soon. I’m almost positive I’ve seen tweets or mentions in articles our leadoff spot has been better than Dexter every year since he’s been a Cardinal. If someone wants to dig in to it before then feel free.


I'm guessing no, but pretty easy on FG, so here goes:

2019: .303 OBP, 72 wRC
2018: .366 OBP, 121 wRC
2017: .324 OBP, 94 wRC
2016: .381 OBP, 123 wRC

So, in conclusion, no.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon May 13, 2019 8:07 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:I’m pretty sure our revolving door leadoff spot has posted better numbers than Dexter every year since he’s left. But yes I get what you’re saying, just basic baseball intuition has me wanting a set guy there for ~145 games. We should trade for Haniger is what I’m saying.


Fowler posted a .393 OBP in 2016. I'd be VERY curious to see if the Cubs' leadoff spot has topped that in the 2 full season since.

I can try and figure it out tonight, have to head out to golf league soon. I’m almost positive I’ve seen tweets or mentions in articles our leadoff spot has been better than Dexter every year since he’s been. If someone wants to dig in to it before then feel free.


Last year it was a similar/slightly better because they left Rizzo there after his early season slump ended.

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2016: .267/.381/.434
2017: .246/.324/.422
2018: .303/.366/.454

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2016
Fowler: 546 PA, .276/.393/.449
Zobrist: 96 PA, .219/.333/.402


2017
Jay: 239 PA, .267/.325/.350
Zobrist: 182 PA, .253/.330/.438
Schwarber: 173 PA, .191/.312/.381


2018
Almora: 213 PA, .333/.368/.429
Zobrist: 140 PA, .285/.371/.439
Rizzo: 138 PA, .328/.428/.552
Murphy: 131 PA, .312/.336/.504
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon May 13, 2019 8:11 pm

Holy freakin' YIKES, 2017.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:46 pm

Believe it, that's a baseball in shallow left field that Schwarber watched go through his legs.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:48 pm

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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:52 pm

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:Believe it, that's a baseball in shallow left field that Schwarber watched go through his legs.

the most impressive part is that Gonzo posted a photo where it's clear enough to see that ball
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Postby Banedon » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:21 am

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Postby BigSlick » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:43 pm

Schwarber has basically stabilized at where he's gonna be as a hitter, I just want him to unleash the Dong and have a career year where he hits like 50 fat dongers
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Postby CubInOK » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:51 pm

If his BA could crack .250 and he kept his discipline and power, he’d be a mighty strong bat. Alas, he can never defeat a shift.
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Postby Rynomites23 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:24 am

CubInOK wrote:If his BA could crack .250 and he kept his discipline and power, he’d be a mighty strong bat. Alas, he can never defeat a shift.

He doesn’t defeat the shift because he has no interest in doing so which fits in with the rest of the launch angle club. In Kyle’s case, he thinks 2b is the foul line.

Here’s some fun facts to chew on. Schwarber has a war of .6 and that’s 12th on the cub and 7th among cub hitters. Brutal. Amongst of’s in mlb? 52nd. His defensive war is -3.4 so those that talk about what a great defender he is don’t know what they are talking about.

Finally, remember Dan Vogelbach? His WAR is 1.8 and as of yesterday’s stats, had better numbers than schwarber in nearly every offensive category with 25 less at bats. 3 more hr’s, 8 more rbi, 17 more walks, 20 less whiffs, avg 20 pts higher, obp .388 vs .322, slug .523 vs .467, ops .912 vs .789. Salary? Vogelbach is making 558k, rizzo 5.8 mill (war 2.2 so slightly better than vog’s) and the strikeout king solo homer leadoff fraud makes 3.4 mill.

Schwarber is one of the most overhyped and overrated cubs in recent history
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:46 pm

I dislike Schwarber as much as the next guy, but Vogelbach wouldn't have ever been a LF option so there's no need to bring him into this.
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Postby squally1313 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:13 pm

Rynomites23 wrote:
CubInOK wrote:If his BA could crack .250 and he kept his discipline and power, he’d be a mighty strong bat. Alas, he can never defeat a shift.

He doesn’t defeat the shift because he has no interest in doing so which fits in with the rest of the launch angle club. In Kyle’s case, he thinks 2b is the foul line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMYUjDXavSE
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:15 pm

squally1313 wrote:
Rynomites23 wrote:
CubInOK wrote:If his BA could crack .250 and he kept his discipline and power, he’d be a mighty strong bat. Alas, he can never defeat a shift.

He doesn’t defeat the shift because he has no interest in doing so which fits in with the rest of the launch angle club. In Kyle’s case, he thinks 2b is the foul line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMYUjDXavSE

Why did he keep bunting in foul territory?
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Postby squally1313 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:31 pm

I know there's less than no point in engaging here...I just really love that video.
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Postby Rynomites23 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:43 pm

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:I dislike Schwarber as much as the next guy, but Vogelbach wouldn't have ever been a LF option so there's no need to bring him into this.

That wasn’t the main point but nice try.
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Re: "Time makes fools of us all" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby Rynomites23 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:47 pm

squally1313 wrote:
Rynomites23 wrote:
CubInOK wrote:If his BA could crack .250 and he kept his discipline and power, he’d be a mighty strong bat. Alas, he can never defeat a shift.

He doesn’t defeat the shift because he has no interest in doing so which fits in with the rest of the launch angle club. In Kyle’s case, he thinks 2b is the foul line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMYUjDXavSE

One or a handful of at bats doesn’t change anything. His overall approach is to pull everything and to lift everything including when runners are in scoring position or when the pitch is outside or when there are eight guys right of second
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Re: "Time makes fools of us all" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:52 pm

Rynomites23 wrote:
Ding Dong Johnson wrote:I dislike Schwarber as much as the next guy, but Vogelbach wouldn't have ever been a LF option so there's no need to bring him into this.

That wasn’t the main point but nice try.

So you had no point at all. Got it.
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Postby squally1313 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:00 pm

Rynomites23 wrote:
squally1313 wrote:
Rynomites23 wrote:He doesn’t defeat the shift because he has no interest in doing so which fits in with the rest of the launch angle club. In Kyle’s case, he thinks 2b is the foul line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMYUjDXavSE

One or a handful of at bats doesn’t change anything. His overall approach is to pull everything and to lift everything including when runners are in scoring position or when the pitch is outside or when there are eight guys right of second


Schwarber: 40.9% Pull %, 41.8% fly ball %, 6.6% infield fly ball %, 48.4% total fly ball %
Rizzo: 43.9% Pull %, 35.8% fly ball %, 9.8% infield fly ball %, 45.6% total fly ball %

Before you move the goal posts to strike out rate, I assume you want to trash Rizzo's batted ball profile too?
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Re: "Time makes fools of us all" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby muntjack » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:25 pm

This seems like a good time and place to go on record in support of Schwarber. He had a 3 WAR year last year at 25, is only now getting consistent PAs vs. LHP (he's improved every year) and I think he has another level coming. Just my opinion.
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