"horsefeathers looks like The Thing" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

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Re: "horsefeathers looks like The Thing" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby Bull » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:02 am

PackLandVA wrote:Saw this article earlier today about Schwarber's defense. Also makes reference to Harper's defense this year, or lack of.

Link to Cubs.com Article

Quickly, what do those numbers say? Well, Baseball Reference ranks Schwarber five runs above average. John Dewan, who has been studying defense forever, has him plus-one on his plus-minus scale (which estimates how many plays above or below the average player are made). Fangraphs has Schwarber five runs above average. The Statcast™ folks have him slightly below average but show him holding his own.


So I don't really kow what to make of his defense.

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He is a lump who catches more balls because the cubs have three left handed starting pitchers and thus face more right handed batters, and because Almora is also a lump.

Also everyone is running on his not awful arm giving him lots of opportunities.

ETA: I’m mostly joking. Mostly.
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Postby mul21 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:23 pm

He’s a decent athlete who’s getting better at the position but still occasionally misjudges a ball and has an above average arm that is pretty accurate. He’s fine out there just like most people who knew he was still learning to be an OF thought he would be.
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Postby OleMissCub » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:41 pm

Schwarber is now SECOND in the NL among outfielders with a 6.3 UZR. He's sandwiched between Cain and CarGo.
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Postby Banedon » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:42 pm

OleMissCub wrote:Schwarber is now SECOND in the NL among outfielders with a 6.3 UZR. He's sandwiched between Cain and CarGo.


He's only bad at outfield during national broadcasts. He's just fine every other game.
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Re: "horsefeathers looks like The Thing" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:53 pm

Banedon wrote:
OleMissCub wrote:Schwarber is now SECOND in the NL among outfielders with a 6.3 UZR. He's sandwiched between Cain and CarGo.


He's only bad at outfield during national broadcasts. He's just fine every other game.

The fact that CarGo is somehow third shows how weird UZR is.
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Re: "horsefeathers looks like The Thing" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:13 pm

What's the general take on Schwarber this season?

Like, my dumb opinion would be that he seems...fine. And seemingly a decent number of people here were expecting/hoping for a breakout season for him.

Obviously, having a 30 dong-mashing, 3 fWAR, LH platoon OF isn't a BAD thing...but what were some of the smarter baseball people here hoping to see from him at this point instead?
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:19 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:What's the general take on Schwarber this season?

Like, my dumb opinion would be that he seems...fine. And seemingly a decent number of people here were expecting/hoping for a breakout season for him.

Obviously, having a 30 dong-mashing, 3 fWAR, LH platoon OF isn't a BAD thing...but what were some of the smarter baseball people here hoping to see from him at this point instead?


I'm not real sure what to think going forward. his WAR is skewed a little by the defense which you probably can't expect to rate this high moving forward. If you think the shift is responsible for his low BABIP then this is probably best case scenario unless he can cut 6-7 percent off his k rate.
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Re: "horsefeathers looks like The Thing" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:19 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:What's the general take on Schwarber this season?

Like, my dumb opinion would be that he seems...fine. And seemingly a decent number of people here were expecting/hoping for a breakout season for him.

Obviously, having a 30 dong-mashing, 3 fWAR, LH platoon OF isn't a BAD thing...but what were some of the smarter baseball people here hoping to see from him at this point instead?

He’s been about what I would’ve expected. Maybe .010-.015 points lower on batting average. I think he still has a decent hit tool and think he’s more of a ~.265 and not sub .250 hitter (I know we’re only talking probably like 10 hits over the course of a year). Would be nice to see the Ks come down 2-4% at the least as well. But overall he’s about what I expected and there’s a little more in there. He seems to be in a bit of a slump lately, so hopefully he has a strong final ~45 games.

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His expected BA is .258 vs the .245 he’s at and xWOBA is .369 vs the .348 it’s at. So yeah if he gets in line with what he “should” be that’s pretty much who I expect him to be. Plus I feel like some of the Ks are due to the absolute horrible zone he’s been given this year. Not only has he gotten called for Ks on balls that aren’t strikesI’m sure it’s horsefeathers him up to be swinging at more horsefeathers than he likes to because of horsefeathers umps.
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Re: "horsefeathers looks like The Thing" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:20 pm

He's a little less than I hoped but right around what I more or less expected. Pretty good season for a 25 y/o. Comfortably leading the team in BB with very good power without sucking on defense is very nice.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:40 pm

More dongs plz
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Postby Duke Silver » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:54 pm

Overall, he's about what I was hoping for. I agree he's probably been a little unlucky with his strike zone. He's made real strides in making more contact and especially closing holes in his swing in the zone. He's also showing a better eye at the plate. I think his most significant changes have been with some of his batted ball problems. He's hitting more line drives and he's cut down his infield fly ball rate. Those were legitimate problems last year. I think his BABIP is about right. He's probably not going to BABIP .300 because of the shift, but there's no reason he can't be close to it. He would be wise to start getting the ball in the air more often and eschewing Chili Ball.

Defensively I think his value is probably right this year because of how incredibly valuable his arm has been. But he's also been lucky to have so many opportunities to make plays with his arm. He probably won't have as many going forward. So that makes up for any poor luck on offense. Bring the offense up some and the defense down some and that's probably who he really is and it equals out to what his WAR is saying right now.
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Postby Duke Silver » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:12 pm

I agree this is probably best-case scenario, too. His arm makes up for him being a big lug in a corner outfield spot. But he's not going to have much value on defense. His power is topped out unless he starts getting the ball in the air more often. He's always going to strike out because he is so patient and gets into deep counts. He will never make a lot of contact. He might BABIP his way to a more valuable season or have an insane HR/FB season. But this is who he is. I have no hopes of him being more.
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Re: "horsefeathers looks like The Thing" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:14 pm

Duke Silver wrote:I agree this is probably best-case scenario, too. His arm makes up for him being a big lug in a corner outfield spot. But he's not going to have much value on defense. His power is topped out unless he starts getting the ball in the air more often. He's always going to strike out because he is so patient and gets into deep counts. He will never make a lot of contact. He might BABIP his way to a more valuable season or have an insane HR/FB season. But this is who he is. I have no hopes of him being more.

you agree with yourself?
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Re: "horsefeathers looks like The Thing" - The Kyle Schwarber Thread

Postby Duke Silver » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:16 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
Duke Silver wrote:I agree this is probably best-case scenario, too. His arm makes up for him being a big lug in a corner outfield spot. But he's not going to have much value on defense. His power is topped out unless he starts getting the ball in the air more often. He's always going to strike out because he is so patient and gets into deep counts. He will never make a lot of contact. He might BABIP his way to a more valuable season or have an insane HR/FB season. But this is who he is. I have no hopes of him being more.

you agree with yourself?


I was meaning to agree with TBS Playoffs Insider. But, yes.
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