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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Agony and Ivy » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:19 am

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The Logan wrote:I mean with Russell's performance this year and his off-field troubles and allegations would we even be able to get max value for him? We'd likely be selling low.

That said, I've often wondered if he was ever on the hot seat for a trade since those allegations.


I'm calling it now. I don't think the Cubs are going to be moving him this month, but I do believe the Cubs are definitely going to be shopping him aggressively this offseason. His approach at the plate is terrible, and his ability to recognize and hit breaking pitches/offspeed pitches has always been poor. Throw in all the off-field problems and I think (sadly) A. Russell is going to be our version of W. Myers. I think Theo and the Cubs FO are very disappointed in Russell.

Hopefully, we'll get a nice return like Was somehow got (J. Ross and T. Turner) in that 3-team trade, and we'll move J. Baez to SS and play a combination of I. Happ/B. Zobrist at 2B next year.


Russell is 23. He's made massive adjustments on the fly in both seasons he's been in the majors. He recognized a flaw in his swing that was exploited by breaking balls down and away and he just decided to not swing at them anymore. And despite what your eye test scouting report says, he pulled it off, and that's not something many 23 year olds would be able to do. Now, if they're not comfortable with him as a human being they might move him, but if you're basing your whole "the front office is disappointed in Russell" take based on a horsefeathers first half of baseball, then they must hate Schwarber too.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby cubsclapp » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:22 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
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Cubswin11 wrote:Even tho Javy has made good strides I think Russell has as good a ceiling and much more easily attainable


I think or used to think Russell had a super high ceiling that he was capable of reaching someday, but I don't feel that way anymore. I don't think A. Russell is our B. Larkin v2.0, but instead is our version of B. Crawford w/o the long, flowing majestic hair.

I think Baez has the much higher ceiling, but I also doubt he'll ever reach it. Both are still valuable -- just not as valuable as Lindor, Seager or Correa.

I don't overly disagree, but I'd like to think this is a bottoming out point for Russell and an upswing is coming. I think he can still reach the Seager/Lindor class easier than Javy can. I hope a lot of Russell's drop off can be explained by the shoulder (hopefully nothing serious) and whatever was going on at home. And I'm not dismissing the DV stuff (if that's true F him) and even without it he's still a dickbag but still has/had to rightfully face some consequences for decisions he's made and has had that carry over to the field (again all brought on by idiot decisions/judgement best case scenario, worst case he's a wife beater and can go horsefeathers off for whatever we can get in a trade).


Yeah, Russell is still very, very valuable, and is likely quite a bit better than this. At least a 3-4 win player. And by bWAR, he'll still be that this year due to his 13 DRS.

Baez is not the shortstop Russell is and has a career .652 OPS vs right-handed pitching which you'd be asking him to face more as the everyday shortstop. You're also then making the second base defense worse, given Baez is currently starting a few times a week there.

Unless the Cubs know more about this DV situation/have character concerns, it's hard to see a scenario where they trade him now, or even in the next few years.

Even Russell's probably biggest known critic has him ranked 40th on the new trade value rankings (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-tra ... -31-to-40/):

If this was just Dave’s Top 50 Franchise Players or something, Russell might not be on this list. I’ve maintained some skepticism over the years about his eventual offensive upside, given his moderate power and low contact rates. His poor start to 2017 isn’t helping the idea that the bat is headed in the right direction. But feedback from friends in the game suggested that his stock within MLB is still pretty high, with multiple reminders that this is a guy who put up +7 WAR at ages 21-22, and he doesn’t need to crush the ball to be an elite player given his defense.

As one friend put it, he’s already pretty close to being Brandon Crawford, and there is still upside for more. And the 30-year-old Brandon Crawford almost made this list despite being making $15 million per year for his decline phase. So a younger, cheaper version with remaining potential is something teams would still love to have, despite his early-season struggles. And it’s why the Cubs, to this point, aren’t making him available, even with an internal replacement in Javier Baez and a glaring need for another starting pitcher.

As for the domestic-violence accusations, which are certainly disturbing, the Aroldis Chapman trade last summer showed there isn’t a lot of evidence that teams are backing away from acquiring talented players because of these problems. While I can wish that weren’t the case, the reality in MLB right now is that acquiring talent still wins out in nearly every decision, and Russell is still a very talented young shortstop. Because this project attempts to measure what MLB is valuing, and not what I’m valuing, Russell still ranks fairly highly here, despite his current on- and off-field issues.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Gilby » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:47 am

Gleyber Torres could throw a ball with more velocity across the diamond with his recently Tommy John'd left arm than Russell can with his right.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby bukie » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:00 am

Congratulations on having the wrongest take of the season.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby cubsclapp » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:31 am

Gilby wrote:Gleyber Torres could throw a ball with more velocity across the diamond with his recently Tommy John'd left arm than Russell can with his right.


This is a weird thing to say about a guy that is fourth in the major leagues in defensive runs saved. Especially when comparing him to a future third baseman.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:25 am

Didn't see it anywhere, but my ESPN Fantasy thing/notification says Russell is dealing with plantar fasciitis and there's no timetable for a return
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby BigSlick » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:49 pm

Not a fun or enjoyable year for Addison, huh
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Bull » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:49 pm

What is the latest?
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Brian » Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:12 pm

I saw an article yesterday that things were looking positive, and he did some stuff for the medical team and they were pleased. He predicted 1 1/2 weeks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... story.html
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby bukie » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:36 pm

Brian wrote:I saw an article yesterday that things were looking positive, and he did some stuff for the medical team and they were pleased. He predicted 1 1/2 weeks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... story.html

If I had to guess, I'd say that he returns on September 1 with Contreras.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:43 pm

If its plantar fasciitis, I can't see that being good for his ability to play SS at a high level.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Omar » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:55 pm

if things are looking positive, its actually a bad thing. this is the medical community we're talking about.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby mul21 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:42 am

UMFan83 wrote:If its plantar fasciitis, I can't see that being good for his ability to play SS at a high level.


It's a weird thing. It was awful for me first thing in the morning but was fine once I got loosened up. And it wasn't every day either. Not that I was trying to play pro baseball, but I was running 50+ miles a week at the time.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Banedon » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:42 pm

mul21 wrote:I was running 50+ miles a week at the time.


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Re: Addison Russell

Postby PackLandVA » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:25 pm

mul21 wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:If its plantar fasciitis, I can't see that being good for his ability to play SS at a high level.


It's a weird thing. It was awful for me first thing in the morning but was fine once I got loosened up. And it wasn't every day either. Not that I was trying to play pro baseball, but I was running 50+ miles a week at the time.


I'm a runner also, had plantar fasciitis for about six months last year. Like mul said, bad when I first got up in AM, but once loosened up, it was bearable Was able to continue running. It can go away with proper stretching/therapy. I haven't had any issues since last year.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Andy » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:50 am

I got hit with PF a couple years ago and it went away very quickly after I got insoles for it.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:12 am

Yeah, well, I had it and my feet fell off.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby weis21 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Yeah, well, I had it and my feet fell off.

this is the most mojo post i think i've ever read.

(that's a compliment...i think)
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Jaxbro » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:36 pm

Foot soreness has Addy leaving his rehab in Memphis and heading to Chicago for evaluation. No bueno
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:39 pm

Can't stop the Seal.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:46 pm

oh no what will we do without him
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby DiceMan4221 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:58 am

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:oh no what will we do without him

Steal home a lot more?
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby weis21 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:01 pm

Banedon wrote:https://twitter.com/BruceMiles2112/status/903357641430315008

i don't dislike bruce at all but wtf is the point of this tweet
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Brian » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:33 am

3 more weeks for Addi
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