It’s not me, it’s Yu

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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:22 am

I feel like he hits a point of diminishing returns with all those pitches to choose from. If your stuff is elite, you only need 3- 4 is icing. He goes overboard.
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Postby Backtobanks » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:28 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:I feel like he hits a point of diminishing returns with all those pitches to choose from. If your stuff is elite, you only need 3- 4 is icing. He goes overboard.


Yeah, you would hate to lose a game using your 7th best pitch while trying to fool a batter.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:35 pm

Yes, I am sure that the all-time leader in K/9 doesn't know how to fool batters.
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Postby UK » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:45 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:I feel like he hits a point of diminishing returns with all those pitches to choose from. If your stuff is elite, you only need 3- 4 is icing. He goes overboard.



Unless the pitch causes unnecc strain and pressure on the arm, let him be. He was their best pitcher, no need to reboot.
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Postby Regular Show » Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:28 am

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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:I feel like he hits a point of diminishing returns with all those pitches to choose from. If your stuff is elite, you only need 3- 4 is icing. He goes overboard.


Unless the pitch causes unnecc strain and pressure on the arm, let him be. He was their best pitcher, no need to reboot.


I agree that there is no need to change whatever Darvish is doing, but We Got The Whole 9 is right about diminishing returns and most pitchers not needing that many pitches. There is a school of thought that a pitcher can only command and have a feel for like 3 pitches at a time...

And I've heard many times you never want to get beat on the mound with your 3rd or 4th best pitch that day. Of course, if you have a blister or fastball command issues or lack confidence in a pitch, then it all changes.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:34 am

He kinda started throwing this new 2-seam/sinker/split/change pitch last year late in the year when he was rolling, iirc. His split use % was at an all time high last year (which I think is what the track man data classifies this new pitch as) and his FB was at a low. Think he’s been working with this pitch for awhile.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:54 am

His top 3 offerings make up what, 95% of his pitch selection? Having random non sense in the back pocket (of someone with discretion) can only help.
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Postby Brian » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:28 pm

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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:41 pm

This was interesting, it shows how Darvish's ZiPS projections have changed over the course of his Cubs tenure: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/darvish-has ... o-the-top/

His outlook for 2021-2023 now is better than it was when he first signed, which is pretty crazy even considering he's drafting off a peak currently.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:57 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:This was interesting, it shows how Darvish's ZiPS projections have changed over the course of his Cubs tenure: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/darvish-has ... o-the-top/

His outlook for 2021-2023 now is better than it was when he first signed, which is pretty crazy even considering he's drafting off a peak currently.

Thanks for that. I think the more fun article was linked inside yours, which goes over how hard it is to classify Yu's assortment.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/you-cant-fit-yu-darvish-into-a-pitch-type-box/
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:39 pm

Is ZiPs on the wagon because of his improved walk rates but not so confident to go ham on new projections yet?
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Postby UMFan83 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:58 pm

More Yu love, this time from the Ringer. Not a ton of new info but still a good read:

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/8/28 ... resurgence
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:30 pm

UMFan83 wrote:More Yu love, this time from the Ringer. Not a ton of new info but still a good read:

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/8/28 ... resurgence
Just read it too. horsefeathers the Astros. I had kind of forgotten about that horsefeathers that Gurriel had done. And then 22 batters faced and 0 Ks... for Yu Darvish? And they all just yukked it up as they cheated their way to the title saying he was tipping pitches. Absolute joke of a championship.
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Postby UMFan83 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:39 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:More Yu love, this time from the Ringer. Not a ton of new info but still a good read:

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/8/28 ... resurgence
Just read it too. horsefeathers the Astros. I had kind of forgotten about that horsefeathers that Gurriel had done. And then 22 batters faced and 0 Ks... for Yu Darvish? And they all just yukked it up as they cheated their way to the title saying he was tipping pitches. Absolute joke of a championship.


Completely agree though I don't think Yu is a Cub if that didn't happen..and that is a scary thought with the rest of our rotation outside of Hendricks.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby PackLandVA » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:23 pm

Of course, without the Yu signing, Theo would've signed another starter that year or the next using the money from his contract.
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Postby UMFan83 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:42 pm

PackLandVA wrote:Of course, without the Yu signing, Theo would've signed another starter that year or the next using the money from his contract.


Yeah it would have been the next season based on Theo's comments about taking money from next year's FA budget to sign him, maybe we would have signed someone like Kuechel and had money to spare compared to the Darvish contract. But we desperately needed a TOR pitcher and for the last 1.5 years Yu has been pitching like an ace so I'm satisfied with how it ended up.
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Postby PackLandVA » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:35 pm

Oh, I agree. I like the signing. He started the contract a little rough. But he’s definitely been a TOR guy. And seems like a great guy and great teammate.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby Derwood » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:59 pm

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That K/IP ratio is pretty low for him. Clearly he sucks now
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:21 pm

Derwood wrote:
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That K/IP ratio is pretty low for him. Clearly he sucks now


Only a 5.7 K/BB too, it's all downhill from here
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby The Logan » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:37 pm

Nice fluff piece on the Yusurgence? Yunnaisance? Whatever, his comeback to elite status:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/298 ... o-cubs-ace
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:49 pm

Precursor to Bauer
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby champaignchris » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:16 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:Precursor to Bauer


Yeah. That’s the thing that stood out in that article to me. Had no clue that Yu and Bauer were friends. That article made it seem like Bauer idolizes Yu.
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