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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:49 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:Apparently, they try not to do the type of MRI that showed this issue until they absolutely feel that they have to because it involves injecting a dye that can cause even more soreness. Why it wasn't done earlier, however -- not sure.

I don’t get that. Pitcher says his arm hurts, but they don’t want to do the right test because it might make the arm more sore for a while but also might not diagnose the injury so after that just keep throwing (which can make things worse and almost did). Do the definitive test first if you don’t need to cut the guy open.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:53 pm

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ConstableRabbit wrote:Apparently, they try not to do the type of MRI that showed this issue until they absolutely feel that they have to because it involves injecting a dye that can cause even more soreness. Why it wasn't done earlier, however -- not sure.

I don’t get that. Pitcher says his arm hurts, but they don’t want to do the right test because it might make the arm more sore for a while but also might not diagnose the injury so after that just keep throwing (which can make things worse and almost did). Do the definitive test first if you don’t need to cut the guy open.

My sense is that a best practice would be to do the least invasive stuff first to rule out a majority of issues vs. boil the ocean. I would imagine that because a lot of things can cause arm soreness, they didn't want to go down this path.

What's confusing to me is how long it took to get to this more invasive MRI, though. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Did he get better before he got worse?
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:57 pm

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ConstableRabbit wrote:Apparently, they try not to do the type of MRI that showed this issue until they absolutely feel that they have to because it involves injecting a dye that can cause even more soreness. Why it wasn't done earlier, however -- not sure.

I don’t get that. Pitcher says his arm hurts, but they don’t want to do the right test because it might make the arm more sore for a while but also might not diagnose the injury so after that just keep throwing (which can make things worse and almost did). Do the definitive test first if you don’t need to cut the guy open.

My sense is that a best practice would be to do the least invasive stuff first to rule out a majority of issues vs. boil the ocean. I would imagine that because a lot of things can cause arm soreness, they didn't want to go down this path.

What's confusing to me is how long it took to get to this more invasive MRI, though. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Did he get better before he got worse?

My view in it is that it’s a pitchers arm, if he comes and says it hurts do the test first that’s going to give you the most definitive answers. If it casues his arm to be sore a while longer because of the injection, so what. He’s already saying he hurts. If it takes 1-2 weeks longer to come back so be it. Find out exactly what’s going on as soon as possible to avoid residual injuries or misdiagnosis.

I get that shouldn’t be the course of action for a common persons injury but for a pitcher who needs his arm I think it should be more drastic and pushing the envelope. Obviously if it takes cutting his arm open to figure it out I get going step by step, but if it’s a dye and delays things a bit longer if he checks out 100% so be it. You’re certain then.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:01 pm

I'm not a doctor but,


I get going with least invasive first, but when he suffered his first setback during that initial rehab, they should have gotten more aggressive.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:03 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:I'm not a doctor but,


I get going with least invasive first, but when he suffered his first setback during that initial rehab, they should have gotten more aggressive.

I guess I can buy in to that. But when you have as much invested in a guy as they do Darvish, do the right and definitive test right away if you don’t need to cut him open but agree that when he kept saying his arm hurt the whole time after the first MRI do the MRI you know will give you the answers.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:22 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:I'm not a doctor but,


I get going with least invasive first, but when he suffered his first setback during that initial rehab, they should have gotten more aggressive.

Yeah, this is my take.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:48 pm

All the money spent on triangle buildings and hotels, but somehow this is what the Cubs still have as passing for medical services:

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Postby PackLandVA » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:15 am

Pretty comical that people read a couple of things online, maybe interpret a tweet or a quote and come to the conclusion that the docs messed up. These aren’t strip mall MDs or GPs trying to make an extra buck working the evening shift at the urgent care. If a professional sports franchise is using them, they’re probably some of the best specialists in the world. Do they makes mistakes? Perhaps. But I’ll assume the correct diagnosis and procedures were done.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:26 am

PackLandVA wrote:Pretty comical that people read a couple of things online, maybe interpret a tweet or a quote and come to the conclusion that the docs messed up. These aren’t strip mall MDs or GPs trying to make an extra buck working the evening shift at the urgent care. If a professional sports franchise is using them, they’re probably some of the best specialists in the world. Do they makes mistakes? Perhaps. But I’ll assume the correct diagnosis and procedures were done.

Maybe procedure was accurate, but obviously diagnosis was wrong.
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Postby TMan92 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:52 am

So was this an issue from the start of the year? Can we chalk up the early performances on this?

Also, someone said he will be out until late next year. Is that accurate?
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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:39 am

TMan92 wrote:So was this an issue from the start of the year? Can we chalk up the early performances on this?

Also, someone said he will be out until late next year. Is that accurate?

Who knows on part one, seems plausible though he had a few okay starts and the stuff/velo was mostly good. Second part it’s too early to definitively know but he said he expects to be ready to go right away in ST next year. Which if all it is, is this stress reaction and the bicep/tricep soreness he has plenty of time to rest and recover.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:11 pm

TMan92 wrote:Also, someone said he will be out until late next year. Is that accurate?

pessimism. if all goes well with healing and rehab, he could be back to normal in 3 months.
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Postby mul21 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:18 pm

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TMan92 wrote:So was this an issue from the start of the year? Can we chalk up the early performances on this?

Also, someone said he will be out until late next year. Is that accurate?

Who knows on part one, seems plausible though he had a few okay starts and the stuff/velo was mostly good. Second part it’s too early to definitively know but he said he expects to be ready to go right away in ST next year. Which if all it is, is this stress reaction and the bicep/tricep soreness he has plenty of time to rest and recover.


He essentially has shin splints in his elbow. I wouldn't be surprised if there's something mechanical that needs to change or some strengthening in another part of the arm/elbow/shoulder that needs to happen as a preventive measure. This likely isn't just a simple rest and it gets better situation.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby TMan92 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:39 am

Saw this on ESPN. Insurance money from Darvish helped pay for Murphy

"As we mentioned at the time, the Cole Hamels trade was exceptionally CBT-friendly, and therefore, we still had room under the threshold to fit Murphy," Hoyer said. "In addition, the insurance money we are receiving on Yu Darvish helped us afford Murphy's contract. But, yes, Tom [Ricketts] was very supportive of the move from a financial standpoint.
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Postby Gmoney08 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:16 pm

TMan92 wrote:Saw this on ESPN. Insurance money from Darvish helped pay for Murphy

"As we mentioned at the time, the Cole Hamels trade was exceptionally CBT-friendly, and therefore, we still had room under the threshold to fit Murphy," Hoyer said. "In addition, the insurance money we are receiving on Yu Darvish helped us afford Murphy's contract. But, yes, Tom [Ricketts] was very supportive of the move from a financial standpoint.


If he misses 5 years can the insurance payout pay for Harper?
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Postby Bertz » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:54 pm

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TMan92 wrote:Saw this on ESPN. Insurance money from Darvish helped pay for Murphy

"As we mentioned at the time, the Cole Hamels trade was exceptionally CBT-friendly, and therefore, we still had room under the threshold to fit Murphy," Hoyer said. "In addition, the insurance money we are receiving on Yu Darvish helped us afford Murphy's contract. But, yes, Tom [Ricketts] was very supportive of the move from a financial standpoint.


If he misses 5 years can the insurance payout pay for Harper?


I know you're joking, but I believe it sort of can. My understanding is that insurance offsets also apply to the CBT (at least in part). Specifically I think it has come up with Fielder and Wright.
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Postby Irrelevant Dude » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:38 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/BruceMiles2112/status/1039989285049561094
This actually makes me slightly more optimistic for next year that they found something wrong outside of the stress reaction.

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Postby Lefty » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:32 am

Another opportunity to marvel at how much better the Brewers' off season was compared to ours.
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Postby Andy » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:03 am

Lefty wrote:Another opportunity to marvel at how much better the Brewers' off season was compared to ours.

To be fair, our offseason might well have been the worst in history by a team that was trying to win. Milwaukee didn't have a high bar.
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Postby 17 Seconds » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:03 am

Lefty wrote:Another opportunity to marvel at how much better the Brewers' off season was compared to ours.


the only chance the cubs had at losing the division was to completely and totally blow the offseason while the brewers had an amazing one, and that's exactly what happened.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:41 pm

The only thing that annoys me about the Brewers' moves is that they snagged Yelich. I really, really, really wanted the Cubs to end up with him once he was obviously available, and there was no reason to not go all out on him, even with the Harper plan.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:16 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:The only thing that annoys me about the Brewers' moves is that they snagged Yelich. I really, really, really wanted the Cubs to end up with him once he was obviously available, and there was no reason to not go all out on him, even with the Harper plan.

Yup. I wanted him really bad and I’m sure we were in on him. The rest of the stuff it’s whatever, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say continuing every offseason with signing and depending on journeymen starters won’t work long term and hope they keep signing the Wade Miley’s of the world.
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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:10 am

What a rough ~9 months for Yu

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Re: It’s not me, it’s Yu

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horsefeathers, that's terrible.
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