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Postby Tim » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:08 pm

Position Players:

Beyond solid - we're good here with depth to spare. There really isn't a single spot to upgrade other than backup catcher.


Bullpen:

If Carl and Morrow are healthy, we're good from the right side. Morrow, Strop, Carl & Cishek are totally solid at the end of games. We've got depth here with Maples, Butler, Bass, Mekkes and more. The left side is much more of a question. If Monty is needed in the rotation, our other lefties suck. Rosario is running on smoke and mirrors. Duensing shows what happens when you depend on that for too long. Ideally, I'd love to grab O'Day from Baltimore to shore up the pen. The only problem with O'Day is that he'd complicate the pursuit of Harper in the offseason. But we need some help from that left side. I'd be very open to trading for O'Day, riding him like we rode Chapman, and then trading him and his salary off during the winter.


Starters:

Yeesh. Uh, where to begin? Based on contracts, we're kinda locked into these guys for a while. We almost have to run with what we have and hope they come around.


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I really thought I'd have more to say when I started the post. But we're stuck with our starters, for better or worse. The position players are awesome and deep. All I'd really pursue would be a backup catcher and a lefty reliever such as O'Day.
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Re: Midseason Assessment (aka - what do we need at the deadline?)

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:16 pm

O’day is a righty and out for the year, fyi.

But yes I agree, not a ton of needs. I’d like a backup catcher upgrade, Martin Maldonado or old friend Rene Rivera would be nice.

As for bullpen arms...... I’d really like another bullpen add and think we should sell off whatever minor leaguers to get a kick ass guy. Treinen and Ottavino would be my top two targets followed by Hand and Britton. Kirby Yates also intrigues, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellmen are also be high on the list since they can both start if needed. But I’d say those are the RPs I want the most
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Re: Midseason Assessment (aka - what do we need at the deadline?)

Postby Tim » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:28 pm

huh, why have I thought he's a lefty for years now?
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Postby Regular Show » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:37 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:O’day is a righty and out for the year, fyi.

But yes I agree, not a ton of needs. I’d like a backup catcher upgrade, Martin Maldonado or old friend Rene Rivera would be nice.

As for bullpen arms...... I’d really like another bullpen add and think we should sell off whatever minor leaguers to get a kick ass guy. Treinen and Ottavino would be my top two targets followed by Hand and Britton. Kirby Yates also intrigues, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellmen are also be high on the list since they can both start if needed. But I’d say those are the RPs I want the most


Rene Rivera is also injured right now. Not too worried about the backup C spot. I think Caratini could fill it if necessary.

All the names you mentioned will come at hefty prices, especially Treinen, Hand and Ottavino. So Britton looks pretty bad right now and I'm not sure how much value he has. Might not be fully right till next year.
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Re: Midseason Assessment (aka - what do we need at the deadline?)

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:38 pm

Tim wrote:huh, why have I thought he's a lefty for years now?

Haha, yeah I’ve done that with guys before. Also assuming full health I don’t think the hand the acquired pitcher throws with is that big of a deal. Monty will be in the pen for lefties, Carl does well against them, Morrow is good, Wilson has kinda not been bad even tho I still hate him. Treinen and Ottavino kill lefties just fine too.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:39 pm

I'd like to see what Cahill would cost. An achilles injury has held him out for a month but his arm is healthy. He pitches to the strength of the defense with tons of gb.
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Re: Midseason Assessment (aka - what do we need at the deadline?)

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:39 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:O’day is a righty and out for the year, fyi.

But yes I agree, not a ton of needs. I’d like a backup catcher upgrade, Martin Maldonado or old friend Rene Rivera would be nice.

As for bullpen arms...... I’d really like another bullpen add and think we should sell off whatever minor leaguers to get a kick ass guy. Treinen and Ottavino would be my top two targets followed by Hand and Britton. Kirby Yates also intrigues, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellmen are also be high on the list since they can both start if needed. But I’d say those are the RPs I want the most


Rene Rivera is also injured right now. Not too worried about the backup C spot. I think Caratini could fill it if necessary.

All the names you mentioned will come at hefty prices, especially Treinen, Hand and Ottavino. So Britton looks pretty bad right now and I'm not sure how much value he has. Might not be fully right till next year.

Ottavino is a FA after the year and is like 34, I don’t think he’d cost much more than Bote and whatever arm they want from the system.

I also want to trade Caritini while he still has some value on what he could be as a switch hitting catcher because I think he sucks.
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Re: Midseason Assessment (aka - what do we need at the deadline?)

Postby Tim » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:49 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:O’day is a righty and out for the year, fyi.

But yes I agree, not a ton of needs. I’d like a backup catcher upgrade, Martin Maldonado or old friend Rene Rivera would be nice.

As for bullpen arms...... I’d really like another bullpen add and think we should sell off whatever minor leaguers to get a kick ass guy. Treinen and Ottavino would be my top two targets followed by Hand and Britton. Kirby Yates also intrigues, Seth Lugo and Robert Gsellmen are also be high on the list since they can both start if needed. But I’d say those are the RPs I want the most


Rene Rivera is also injured right now. Not too worried about the backup C spot. I think Caratini could fill it if necessary.

All the names you mentioned will come at hefty prices, especially Treinen, Hand and Ottavino. So Britton looks pretty bad right now and I'm not sure how much value he has. Might not be fully right till next year.

Ottavino is a FA after the year and is like 34, I don’t think he’d cost much more than Bote and whatever arm they want from the system.

I also want to trade Caritini while he still has some value on what he could be as a switch hitting catcher because I think he sucks.

Ottavino would be great, but Colorado is positioning themselves as buyers, not sellers.

here's an article talking about who might be availalble: https://www.mlb.com/news/reliever-trade ... -283023802

Of those names, the standouts to me are obviously Hand and Iglesias. I like Kela as an under the radar guy and Oh has had a very nice bounceback year.
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Re: Midseason Assessment (aka - what do we need at the deadline?)

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:51 pm

Tim wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
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Rene Rivera is also injured right now. Not too worried about the backup C spot. I think Caratini could fill it if necessary.

All the names you mentioned will come at hefty prices, especially Treinen, Hand and Ottavino. So Britton looks pretty bad right now and I'm not sure how much value he has. Might not be fully right till next year.

Ottavino is a FA after the year and is like 34, I don’t think he’d cost much more than Bote and whatever arm they want from the system.

I also want to trade Caritini while he still has some value on what he could be as a switch hitting catcher because I think he sucks.

Ottavino would be great, but Colorado is positioning themselves as buyers, not sellers.

here's an article talking about who might be availalble: https://www.mlb.com/news/reliever-trade ... -283023802

Of those names, the standouts to me are obviously Hand and Iglesias. I like Kela as an under the radar guy and Oh has had a very nice bounceback year.

Yeah the Treinen and Ottavino targets require their teams to fall out a bit more than where they are now. The Rockies are horsefeathering idiots too and they wouldn’t know when to sell if it hit them in face anyways. I liked Oh as a buy low target in the offseason, and I’d like to aim higher now but he’d be okay for me.
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Re: Midseason Assessment (aka - what do we need at the deadline?)

Postby Duke Silver » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:59 pm

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Postby sweetpeteman » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:19 pm

One option for back up catcher could be Robinson Chirinos in Texas. He's in the last year of his contract, Texas sucks, and may not be too expensive to pick up.

Caratini should not be the back-up. The only way he has value as a catcher is if he's getting plate appearances. I think he can be an above average hitter, but he's definitely not good behind the plate, which I value highly for the back up. Chirinos I think get's pretty good marks.
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Postby Tim » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:21 pm

sweetpeteman wrote:One option for back up catcher could be Robinson Chirinos in Texas. He's in the last year of his contract, Texas sucks, and may not be too expensive to pick up.

Caratini should not be the back-up. The only way he has value as a catcher is if he's getting plate appearances. I think he can be an above average hitter, but he's definitely not good behind the plate, which I value highly for the back up. Chirinos I think get's pretty good marks.

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Postby Bertz » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:00 pm

I'm wondering if they might go get someone with a profile similar to Mike Montgomery when we acquired him; a promising young reliever for whom the book has not entirely closed on starting. I think the team is likely going to need to horsefeathers or get off the pot with Montgomery as a starter this winter, and so going out and grabbing Montgomery 2.0 would kill two birds with one stone. It would bolster this year's rotation depth and it would backfill the swingman role for next year. A few examples of names I'm looking at are Robbie Erlin, Seth Lugo, Robert Gsellman, and Daniel Norris (might be a little too much of a reclamation project).
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:03 pm

Bertz wrote:I'm wondering if they might go get someone with a profile similar to Mike Montgomery when we acquired him; a promising young reliever for whom the book has not entirely closed on starting. I think the team is likely going to need to horsefeathers or get off the pot with Montgomery as a starter this winter, and so going out and grabbing Montgomery 2.0 would kill two birds with one stone. It would bolster this year's rotation depth and it would backfill the swingman role for next year. A few examples of names I'm looking at are Robbie Erlin, Seth Lugo, Robert Gsellman, and Daniel Norris (might be a little too much of a reclamation project).

I’ve wondered the same thing as well and can get on board with taking that route. Smyly fits this role as well if he is able to be back this year.
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Postby Bertz » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:06 pm

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Bertz wrote:I'm wondering if they might go get someone with a profile similar to Mike Montgomery when we acquired him; a promising young reliever for whom the book has not entirely closed on starting. I think the team is likely going to need to horsefeathers or get off the pot with Montgomery as a starter this winter, and so going out and grabbing Montgomery 2.0 would kill two birds with one stone. It would bolster this year's rotation depth and it would backfill the swingman role for next year. A few examples of names I'm looking at are Robbie Erlin, Seth Lugo, Robert Gsellman, and Daniel Norris (might be a little too much of a reclamation project).

I’ve wondered the same thing as well and can get on board with taking that route. Smyly fits this role as well if he is able to be back this year.


This winter it sounded like Smyly is a pure reliever this year, but I would assume he's definitely in play for the Monty role next year.
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Postby Derwood » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:40 pm

Maple does not appear to be a solution in the pen
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:18 am

We need approximately 15 new pitchers.
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Stroman, Happ, and Estrada please
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Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:30 am

sweetpeteman wrote:One option for back up catcher could be Robinson Chirinos in Texas. He's in the last year of his contract, Texas sucks, and may not be too expensive to pick up.

Caratini should not be the back-up. The only way he has value as a catcher is if he's getting plate appearances. I think he can be an above average hitter, but he's definitely not good behind the plate, which I value highly for the back up. Chirinos I think get's pretty good marks.


I've been thinking about Jonathan Lucroy.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:38 am

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sweetpeteman wrote:One option for back up catcher could be Robinson Chirinos in Texas. He's in the last year of his contract, Texas sucks, and may not be too expensive to pick up.

Caratini should not be the back-up. The only way he has value as a catcher is if he's getting plate appearances. I think he can be an above average hitter, but he's definitely not good behind the plate, which I value highly for the back up. Chirinos I think get's pretty good marks.


I've been thinking about Jonathan Lucroy.

A Treinen/Lucroy package would be ideal (even Cahill added in). Beane seems like he’d potentially value a guy like Bote a little more than others, same with Zagunis. Obviously will take more prospects but think there “could” be building blocks there to something.
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Postby Backtobanks » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:45 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:
sweetpeteman wrote:One option for back up catcher could be Robinson Chirinos in Texas. He's in the last year of his contract, Texas sucks, and may not be too expensive to pick up.

Caratini should not be the back-up. The only way he has value as a catcher is if he's getting plate appearances. I think he can be an above average hitter, but he's definitely not good behind the plate, which I value highly for the back up. Chirinos I think get's pretty good marks.


I've been thinking about Jonathan Lucroy.

A Treinen/Lucroy package would be ideal (even Cahill added in). Beane seems like he’d potentially value a guy like Bote a little more than others, same with Zagunis. Obviously will take more prospects but think there “could” be building blocks there to something.



Oakland has Chapman at 3B, so they don't need Bote. I'm not sure we have the prospects to get Treinen or Treinen plus.
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Postby Tim » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:15 am

Backtobanks wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
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I've been thinking about Jonathan Lucroy.

A Treinen/Lucroy package would be ideal (even Cahill added in). Beane seems like he’d potentially value a guy like Bote a little more than others, same with Zagunis. Obviously will take more prospects but think there “could” be building blocks there to something.



Oakland has Chapman at 3B, so they don't need Bote. I'm not sure we have the prospects to get Treinen or Treinen plus.

Bote has played 2b in the minors
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Postby champaignchris » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:30 pm

Oakland probably thinks they can make the playoffs next year (or even this year if Seattle stops being stupid lucky - they’re the freaking AL version of the Brewers), meaning they probably only sell a long term asset like Treinan if the other team pays through the nose.
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Postby Backtobanks » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:55 pm

champaignchris wrote:Oakland probably thinks they can make the playoffs next year (or even this year if Seattle stops being stupid lucky - they’re the freaking AL version of the Brewers), meaning they probably only sell a long term asset like Treinan if the other team pays through the nose.


If Beane is really looking to sell (and save some money), maybe a deal for Lowrie, Cahill, and Lucroy involving Bote plus other prospects. Big addition to the bench and bullpen/spot starter and they all come off the books after this year. Lowrie adds a lot of versatility and is a switch hitter.
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Postby Old Style » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:38 pm

We need Mike Trout, Justin Verlander, and Max Scherzer. Throw in Kluber too just be sure.
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