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Postby Stu » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:03 am

It was so tantalizing seeing what Morrow could be though. I remember one game he came in in a tough spot with 2 outs in the 9th — he threw three straight unhittable 101 mph fastballs to end the game.
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Postby Derwood » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:05 pm

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Andy wrote:Yep. If the revisionist history becomes "oh, well the Dodgers broke him" it's going to be annoying. This guy had giant, blood-red flags all over his career and Theo should've let someone else give him $20M to rehab for 2 years.


It went full worst case in terms of health (possibly thanks to maddon ignoring usage orders) and he was still worth like 5.5 mil last year. It wasn't some disastrous signing. And the injury risk was baked into the modest cost. If he had no injury history, he would've cost a lot horsefeathering more.

If you wanna be mad at some horsefeathers in hindsight, the Heyward deal is right there.


I’m pretty sure being legit mad about the Heyward signing would be revisionist history for most Cubs fans. Everyone I know was pretty pumped about it.


I mean, we have the receipts
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:36 pm

Man, that StylesClash guy was the big winner in that thread. WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:39 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Man, that StylesClash guy was the big winner in that thread. WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED.

StylesClash wrote:Their middle of the order trio of Carpenter,Grichuk and Piscotty isn't that far behind that of Rizzo, Bryant and Schwarber.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:40 pm

Look, even the best of us aren't right 100% of the time.

But damned if his takes on Heyward and the OF weren't spooktacular.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby squally1313 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:46 pm

TMan92 wrote:
Bertz wrote:
Derwood wrote:
Assuming Morrow isn't also an avid Trump supporter


IIRC Morrow is pretty vocally liberal. It's basically him and Sean Doolittle.


All the damn liberals want to get paid for not working!

Yes, I am joking.


No, no, I would very much like to get paid for not working.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:20 pm

Derwood wrote:
badger wrote:
David wrote:
It went full worst case in terms of health (possibly thanks to maddon ignoring usage orders) and he was still worth like 5.5 mil last year. It wasn't some disastrous signing. And the injury risk was baked into the modest cost. If he had no injury history, he would've cost a lot horsefeathering more.

If you wanna be mad at some horsefeathers in hindsight, the Heyward deal is right there.


I’m pretty sure being legit mad about the Heyward signing would be revisionist history for most Cubs fans. Everyone I know was pretty pumped about it.


I mean, we have the receipts


As much as I enjoy the doom bonering that's been going on lately and how frustrated everyone is with Theo, it's still true that we *have* made the playoffs every year since the signing and probably will this year too. It's disappointing to see the gap that has emerged between us and the Dodgers/Astros, and but it hasn't actually burned us yet (I guess outside of blowing the divsion last year)
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:35 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Derwood wrote:
badger wrote:
I’m pretty sure being legit mad about the Heyward signing would be revisionist history for most Cubs fans. Everyone I know was pretty pumped about it.


I mean, we have the receipts


As much as I enjoy the doom bonering that's been going on lately and how frustrated everyone is with Theo, it's still true that we *have* made the playoffs every year since the signing and probably will this year too. It's disappointing to see the gap that has emerged between us and the Dodgers/Astros, and but it hasn't actually burned us yet (I guess outside of blowing the divsion last year)

There are 6 teams in MLB that have made the playoffs 5 straight years in the past 40 seasons, even if you include streaks that bled into this timeframe: Braves, Yankees, Indians, Cardinals, Phillies, Dodgers. We're about to join that list. Wild card expansion or not, that's a big deal.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:16 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Derwood wrote:
badger wrote:
I’m pretty sure being legit mad about the Heyward signing would be revisionist history for most Cubs fans. Everyone I know was pretty pumped about it.


I mean, we have the receipts


As much as I enjoy the doom bonering that's been going on lately and how frustrated everyone is with Theo, it's still true that we *have* made the playoffs every year since the signing and probably will this year too. It's disappointing to see the gap that has emerged between us and the Dodgers/Astros, and but it hasn't actually burned us yet (I guess outside of blowing the divsion last year)

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Postby Thed Hoyerstein » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:21 pm

TMan92 wrote:
Bertz wrote:
Derwood wrote:
Assuming Morrow isn't also an avid Trump supporter


IIRC Morrow is pretty vocally liberal. It's basically him and Sean Doolittle.


All the damn liberals want to get paid for not working!

Yes, I am joking.


hell yeah

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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:36 pm

It is insane how wrong I was about Heyward being primed to get better as a hitter. Like I thought we were getting a five tool monster in his prime, ready to make me forget they just straight up said no to Beltran and then yes to Soriano and like 40 other guys for the same job. Instead he became a 28 YO locker room dad and honorary team captain type. Hopefully Lindor goes alot better

In hindsight it's not crazy hard to guess what went wrong - Heyward's groundball oriented offense worked well during the deadball era in the first half of the decade but didn't translate once teams stopped using so much sinker/slider...Maybe like LHPs have aged better over 7 figure contracts in the past than RHPs, at least pre-Scherzer, probably stud hitters who handle a position up the middle are the best to give a big contract to?
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Postby Wharfrat1976 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:02 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:It is insane how wrong I was about Heyward being primed to get better as a hitter. Like I thought we were getting a five tool monster in his prime, ready to make me forget they just straight up said no to Beltran and then yes to Soriano and like 40 other guys for the same job. Instead he became a 28 YO locker room dad and honorary team captain type. Hopefully Lindor goes alot better

In hindsight it's not crazy hard to guess what went wrong - Heyward's groundball oriented offense worked well during the deadball era in the first half of the decade but didn't translate once teams stopped using so much sinker/slider...Maybe like LHPs have aged better over 7 figure contracts in the past than RHPs, at least pre-Scherzer, probably stud hitters who handle a position up the middle are the best to give a big contract to?
We paid $184M for a Frank Robinson we got a Frank n Beans

He hits like a utility infielder.

Sure injuries, his wrists, etc.

It's the worst FA signing in the history of baseball. Worse than the Josh Hamilton, Carl Crawford and Barry Zito signings times 10.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:37 pm

Wharfrat1976 wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:It is insane how wrong I was about Heyward being primed to get better as a hitter. Like I thought we were getting a five tool monster in his prime, ready to make me forget they just straight up said no to Beltran and then yes to Soriano and like 40 other guys for the same job. Instead he became a 28 YO locker room dad and honorary team captain type. Hopefully Lindor goes alot better

In hindsight it's not crazy hard to guess what went wrong - Heyward's groundball oriented offense worked well during the deadball era in the first half of the decade but didn't translate once teams stopped using so much sinker/slider...Maybe like LHPs have aged better over 7 figure contracts in the past than RHPs, at least pre-Scherzer, probably stud hitters who handle a position up the middle are the best to give a big contract to?
We paid $184M for a Frank Robinson we got a Frank n Beans

He hits like a utility infielder.

Sure injuries, his wrists, etc.

It's the worst FA signing in the history of baseball. Worse than the Josh Hamilton, Carl Crawford and Barry Zito signings times 10.

Well that’s just not true
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Postby The Logan » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:49 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Wharfrat1976 wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:It is insane how wrong I was about Heyward being primed to get better as a hitter. Like I thought we were getting a five tool monster in his prime, ready to make me forget they just straight up said no to Beltran and then yes to Soriano and like 40 other guys for the same job. Instead he became a 28 YO locker room dad and honorary team captain type. Hopefully Lindor goes alot better

In hindsight it's not crazy hard to guess what went wrong - Heyward's groundball oriented offense worked well during the deadball era in the first half of the decade but didn't translate once teams stopped using so much sinker/slider...Maybe like LHPs have aged better over 7 figure contracts in the past than RHPs, at least pre-Scherzer, probably stud hitters who handle a position up the middle are the best to give a big contract to?
We paid $184M for a Frank Robinson we got a Frank n Beans

He hits like a utility infielder.

Sure injuries, his wrists, etc.

It's the worst FA signing in the history of baseball. Worse than the Josh Hamilton, Carl Crawford and Barry Zito signings times 10.

Well that’s just not true


No, he's right. It's definitely worse than all those, as well as Ryan Howard, BJ Upton, Mike Hampton, Chris Davis, Pablo Sandoval, Homer Bailey, Vernon Wells, Yasmany Tomas, Rusney Castillo, and pretty much every other contract on this list here: https://www.sportsbreak.com/mlb/the-20- ... l-history/
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:55 pm

Yeah, the Howard contract is my go-to whenever someone jumps immediately to "X HAS THE WORST CONTRACT EVAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR." Even though it likely isn't THE truly worst one of all time, it's such an easy recent example of a truly wretched deal that was, hilariously and obviously, doomed from the moment it was inked. It's especially funny to see Phillies fans already griping about Harper's like it's this historically terrible deal when they have the Howard example RIGHT horsefeathering THERE IN-HOUSE.

I mean, Heyward's deal sucks, but it sucks more in one of those, "horsefeathers, baseball is cruel and weird sometimes" ways. Given his track record to that point and his age, it's absurd to think that was a bad deal as constructed. Sure, you can criticize (rightly so, IMO) that the Cubs effectively destroyed their investment via however the horsefeathers they destroyed his approach at that plate, and how badly they botched the rest of the OF, necessitating him to play more CF and weaken what value he's been able to claw back...but this is a "bad contract" in the unfortunate and rather unlikely way that played out, and not at all in the numbers and circumstances under which it was signed. On paper, it was a horsefeathering amazing deal.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:12 pm

Wharfrat1976 wrote:It's the worst FA signing in the history of baseball. Worse than the Josh Hamilton, Carl Crawford and Barry Zito signings times 10.


Already mentioned but Ryan Howard alone beats that and then adds infinity
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Postby champaignchris » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:28 pm

David Wright was paid $115MM to play 211 MLB games from 2014 to 2018 and would still have another $27MM left over this season and next if he hadn’t finally given up the ghost and retired.

Prince Fielder had $96MM left on his contract when he broke his neck. If he hadn't been forced to retire, that one would have gone down a lot like Howard’s did.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:32 pm

Yeah yeah yeah the contract stuff, but y’all just skipped over the best part

Did he mention the Frank Robinson comp specifically for the frank n beans wordplay?
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Postby Bull » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:10 pm

Prince Fielder is still being paid $9Million to not play baseball.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:13 pm

That is a HoF-terrible tweet. What an idiot.
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Postby champaignchris » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:18 pm

OPS rising in each of the last two months = “going in the wrong direction?”
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Related video to Joe's crush on Washington's lineup:

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:21 pm

champaignchris wrote:OPS rising in each of the last two months = “going in the wrong direction?”


"My point is that their runs per game is going down, so here's a chart that shows everything else instead."
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Postby BigSlick » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:04 pm

The saddest thing to watch is the Cubs Vaunted Run Differential decline into mediocrity, and now the Cardinals are within 8 runs of our RD

We have not only lost a bunch of games like a bunch of idiots, but now I can't even comfort myself with the soft warm pillow that is Run differential. They're just bad
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