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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby David » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:03 pm

Forgotmyoldlogin wrote:Does anyone know if we’re getting all those end-of-season press conferences today? That’s a thing right?


Theo will be speaking today at 3 IIRC
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby HawkeTrackler » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:11 pm

frankm4911 wrote:Don't know where i belong; but the reason i don't go to Mlb games much any more is the bums make too much $$$ for very little talents. I guess i grew up watching a different game in the 1950's and 1960's when players thought they were lucky to have people pay to watch them and kids idolized these sportsmen.


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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Forgotmyoldlogin » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:18 pm

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Forgotmyoldlogin wrote:Does anyone know if we’re getting all those end-of-season press conferences today? That’s a thing right?

theo goes on at 3pm

Cool, thanks.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Old Style » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:08 pm

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frankm4911 wrote:Don't know where i belong; but the reason i don't go to Mlb games much any more is the bums make too much $$$ for very little talents. I guess i grew up watching a different game in the 1950's and 1960's when players thought they were lucky to have people pay to watch them and kids idolized these sportsmen.


Log off, Grandfather.

Sportsmen? Lol.

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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Regular Show » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:09 pm

Old Style wrote:
HawkeTrackler wrote:
frankm4911 wrote:Don't know where i belong; but the reason i don't go to Mlb games much any more is the bums make too much $$$ for very little talents. I guess i grew up watching a different game in the 1950's and 1960's when players thought they were lucky to have people pay to watch them and kids idolized these sportsmen.


Log off, Grandfather.

Sportsmen? Lol.

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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:12 pm

Theo says we are adding a director of pitching and director of hitting. Hopefully Boddy is the pitching guy.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Stu » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:15 pm

I told a colleague this year at the beginning of the year that Schwarbs and Harper would be essentially the same player. He said my argument was ludicrous. Maybe it was but look at their stats this year:

Schwarber Harper
528 AB 568 AB
132 H 147 H
38 HR 35 HR
.250 BA .259
82 R 98 R
92 RBI 114 RBI
.340 OBP .372
.532 SLG .511
.872 OPS .883
70 BB 99 BB
155 K 170 K
2.3 WAR 3.9 WAR
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:02 pm

Stu wrote:I told a colleague this year at the beginning of the year that Schwarbs and Harper would be essentially the same player. He said my argument was ludicrous. Maybe it was but look at their stats this year:

Schwarber Harper
528 AB 568 AB
132 H 147 H
38 HR 35 HR
.250 BA .259
82 R 98 R
92 RBI 114 RBI
.340 OBP .372
.532 SLG .511
.872 OPS .883
70 BB 99 BB
155 K 170 K
2.3 WAR 3.9 WAR

So very much not the same player.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby UK » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:13 pm

Stu wrote:I told a colleague this year at the beginning of the year that Schwarbs and Harper would be essentially the same player. He said my argument was ludicrous. Maybe it was but look at their stats this year:

Schwarber Harper
528 AB 568 AB
132 H 147 H
38 HR 35 HR
.250 BA .259
82 R 98 R
92 RBI 114 RBI
.340 OBP .372
.532 SLG .511
.872 OPS .883
70 BB 99 BB
155 K 170 K
2.3 WAR 3.9 WAR


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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Stu » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:35 pm

OK, to me those numbers are pretty similar. A few more walks, RBI and hits for Harper in more ABs. Right? What am I missing?
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby UK » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:41 pm

Stu wrote:OK, to me those numbers are pretty similar. A few more walks, RBI and hits for Harper in more ABs. Right? What am I missing?


Player A can hit .300 avg/.350obp/.450slg in a park factor of 100.

15Hrs
75RBis

Player B can do the same.

If player A has a 42% increase in WAR, player A is a much better player

You would have won the argument if he has never heard of WAR or you only used basic stats. I would've left WAR (the best stat you presented) out of it.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Derwood » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:41 pm

Stu wrote:OK, to me those numbers are pretty similar. A few more walks, RBI and hits for Harper in more ABs. Right? What am I missing?


Defense
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby ConstableRabbit » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:50 pm

Close to being the same hitter in terms of production. Not the same player overall though. wRC+ are similar.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby muntjack » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:15 pm

Ugh. Schwarber went from a neutral defender in 17 to a very good defender in 18 to a terrible defender in 19. But not really.
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Postby biittner77 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:21 pm

Stu wrote:OK, to me those numbers are pretty similar. A few more walks, RBI and hits for Harper in more ABs. Right? What am I missing?


That K number for Harper is surprising.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby BigSlick » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:38 pm

Yeah, 1.6 WAR (much of that I'm assuming is defense and 70+ odd plate appearances more) is not a minuscule difference - however accounting for salary and all that, well, its reasonable to say if there were concerns about Harper they're not entirely diminished. I wasn't as full-throated pro-Harper as many on this board, but reticence to sign him only makes sense if you're also committed to putting that kind of money into improving the team in other places, which it turns out they very much weren't into.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby BigSlick » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:57 pm

Yeah I have to admit its pretty shocking to be here after where we ended the 2016 season at. Not saying it wasn't worth it (it totally was) but its been 3 seasons and there isn't much young talent to be excited about, much of the players we expected to get better got worse or stagnated, and our entire pitching staff is about to enter the retirement home
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:08 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/sahadevsharma/status/1179419881894240258?s=21


Theo just came down from his WS bender.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Thed Hoyerstein » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:50 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/sahadevsharma/status/1179419881894240258?s=21


Theo just came down from his WS bender.


so it's Jed's fault
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:24 pm

BigSlick wrote:Yeah I have to admit its pretty shocking to be here after where we ended the 2016 season at. Not saying it wasn't worth it (it totally was) but its been 3 seasons and there isn't much young talent to be excited about, much of the players we expected to get better got worse or stagnated, and our entire pitching staff is about to enter the retirement home


We didn't wanna hear it then, but aging curves have always been younger than people think and they keep getting younger. Players do not, on average, continue getting better into their late 20s. It's very reasonable for a guy to have his best season at age 23 or 24.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:31 pm

muntjack wrote:Ugh. Schwarber went from a neutral defender in 17 to a very good defender in 18 to a terrible defender in 19. But not really.


So he's basically been an average defensive LF overall? That works fine
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Brian » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:29 pm

lol did the Cubs poach the Braves organist?

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