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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:25 am

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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:Mooney says the Cubs are too horsefeathers to use Marquez or Carraway this season.

The Cubs do not view Brailyn Marquez and Burl Carraway as realistic options to help the major-league team this season. Marquez is 21 years old and has never pitched above the A-ball level. Carraway is 21 years old and threw 51 1/3 innings across three seasons at Dallas Baptist University before getting drafted two months ago. The Cubs have been patient with those talented lefties at the South Bend training site, focusing on player development and their long-term growth as pitchers instead of letting them loose.

These guys suck at managing a roster.


Alternatively, the guy with no professional innings and the guy with a career 1:1 K/BB ratio, neither of whom have pitched competitively in 6-12 months, are not great bets to step right into major league relief roles.
The Cubs are deploying 2 guys that you can say that about, and another 2 that are on the precipice IMO

And pitchers get super fast tracked like that sometimes. I just dont feel that there is much at stake to let one of them take one of these career minor leaguers spot before they go into a razor-thin highly competitive trade market.
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Postby NOLA » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:41 pm

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Postby Brian » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:45 pm

Most if not all teams are doing it. I know the Yankees just did. Not saying it's right or good.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:03 pm

Brian wrote:Most if not all teams are doing it. I know the Yankees just did. Not saying it's right or good.


It's 110% definitely wrong and bad.
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Postby Brian » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:10 pm

I'm guessing teams kept these employees as long as they did hoping another round of PPP loans was coming
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:12 pm

My employer had an all-hands quarterly town hall last week where the CEO went on and on about how difficult it was to bring all employees back to full-time work (currently 1/3 are at least partially furloughed) because of the state of the current economy. Then finance lady's turn came and she showed how we were running with a 40% profit margin over the past 2 quarters.

I will never count an employer to do what's right for their employees.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:29 pm

This might be a totally stupid question to ask so rip away. But, MLB scouts- how necessary are they these days when we have Track man and such that totally blows away even the keenest eye tests? There's just so much information available that they could never provide. What are they even bringing to the table?

Rip away.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:49 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:This might be a totally stupid question to ask so rip away. But, MLB scouts- how necessary are they these days when we have Track man and such that totally blows away even the keenest eye tests? There's just so much information available that they could never provide. What are they even bringing to the table?

Rip away.


Scouts are less necessary than they've ever been, but I think it's an extreme oversimplification to think that trackman and the like are replicating their work entirely. For one I'm not sure how universal coverage and data sharing is between various minor league parks and short season facilities. More importantly, scouts add value by understanding and articulating why an observable thing is happening so it's easy for teams to understand how repeatable/fixable it might be. Advanced data make the 'observable things' more specific and less noisy(e.g. exit velocity v. batting average), but there's still significant art in understanding what mechanics lead to those observable things, how they scale against better competition, and if there's opportunities for improvement/fixes.

Where I think the biggest open question is, in a world with substantial video coverage of the minor leagues, how necessary is it for scouts to be in person to do that work? And if it's less necessary for scouts to be in person, are you able to get the same benefit with fewer scouts doing video analysis in a centralized manner.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:58 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
We Got The Whole 9 wrote:This might be a totally stupid question to ask so rip away. But, MLB scouts- how necessary are they these days when we have Track man and such that totally blows away even the keenest eye tests? There's just so much information available that they could never provide. What are they even bringing to the table?

Rip away.


Scouts are less necessary than they've ever been, but I think it's an extreme oversimplification to think that trackman and the like are replicating their work entirely. For one I'm not sure how universal coverage and data sharing is between various minor league parks and short season facilities. More importantly, scouts add value by understanding and articulating why an observable thing is happening so it's easy for teams to understand how repeatable/fixable it might be. Advanced data make the 'observable things' more specific and less noisy(e.g. exit velocity v. batting average), but there's still significant art in understanding what mechanics lead to those observable things, how they scale against better competition, and if there's opportunities for improvement/fixes.

Where I think the biggest open question is, in a world with substantial video coverage of the minor leagues, how necessary is it for scouts to be in person to do that work? And if it's less necessary for scouts to be in person, are you able to get the same benefit with fewer scouts doing video analysis in a centralized manner.

Yeah it seems like if the data infrastructure is there you could have less scouts without it overly affecting things. Player development probably should have more bodies than ever though with all the data and programs out there to be as hands on and digging in to numbers with guys directly to grow them as much as possible. It’s probably more a shifting of resources once we’re back to normal than cutting staff overall.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:02 pm

For the specific roles mentioned, the only thing that makes sense to me is that there's significant headwinds about shortening the draft and cutting out some of the minor leagues, which is going to limit how many people you need to do the draft and bring along your minor league teams(plus fewer other teams to scout). I don't know what the proportion of these cuts looks like though, is it 10% of those types of roles? 50%? 90%? I can at least see the logic for a non-trivial but non-majority cut of those roles if the league changes are all but certain. Otherwise it seems incredibly silly for the relative pittance you save if you need to grow that department back when covid is through.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:35 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
We Got The Whole 9 wrote:This might be a totally stupid question to ask so rip away. But, MLB scouts- how necessary are they these days when we have Track man and such that totally blows away even the keenest eye tests? There's just so much information available that they could never provide. What are they even bringing to the table?

Rip away.


Scouts are less necessary than they've ever been, but I think it's an extreme oversimplification to think that trackman and the like are replicating their work entirely. For one I'm not sure how universal coverage and data sharing is between various minor league parks and short season facilities. More importantly, scouts add value by understanding and articulating why an observable thing is happening so it's easy for teams to understand how repeatable/fixable it might be. Advanced data make the 'observable things' more specific and less noisy(e.g. exit velocity v. batting average), but there's still significant art in understanding what mechanics lead to those observable things, how they scale against better competition, and if there's opportunities for improvement/fixes.

Where I think the biggest open question is, in a world with substantial video coverage of the minor leagues, how necessary is it for scouts to be in person to do that work? And if it's less necessary for scouts to be in person, are you able to get the same benefit with fewer scouts doing video analysis in a centralized manner.


You are right in the oversimplification of my observation, but thats actually more along the line of where my thoughts are. I guess it just doesn't surprise me at all that they called in the Bob's and came to this conclusion, what with the smorgasbord of data and video available. I would think that over the last few years as this stuff became commonplace they probably started to see the writing on the wall (like in my line of work as a grocer, the self-checkout line is a growing, inevitable threat we are keenly aware of) and weren't necessarily blindsided Podesta-style. It sucks when anybody loses a job, unless its due to egregious incompetence or detrimental conduct, etc, but sadly thats the reality we live in. Efficiency is key, and like you said, they could possibly achieve comparable results even with a smaller staff. I have doubts that this is a COVID motivated move but rather the new norm.
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Postby CubinNY » Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:48 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:For the specific roles mentioned, the only thing that makes sense to me is that there's significant headwinds about shortening the draft and cutting out some of the minor leagues, which is going to limit how many people you need to do the draft and bring along your minor league teams(plus fewer other teams to scout). I don't know what the proportion of these cuts looks like though, is it 10% of those types of roles? 50%? 90%? I can at least see the logic for a non-trivial but non-majority cut of those roles if the league changes are all but certain. Otherwise it seems incredibly silly for the relative pittance you save if you need to grow that department back when covid is through.

Yes, they are going to kill the game long term to make a larger percentage of dollars, short term. Nothing says more about the current state of America than this. We are a nation of 17 year olds with untreated ADHD.

For many people, kids especially minor league baseball is their only live access to professional sports. It's really bad for a game that is losing fan interest. Minor league baseball is an investment in the future, like R&D and they are treating it like a product that should make a profit.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:32 pm

CubinNY wrote:Yes, they are going to kill the game long term to make a larger percentage of dollars, short term. Nothing says more about the current state of America than this. We are a nation of 17 year olds with untreated ADHD.

For many people, kids especially minor league baseball is their only live access to professional sports. It's really bad for a game that is losing fan interest. Minor league baseball is an investment in the future, like R&D and they are treating it like a product that should make a profit.


On that point, I don't think the owners have particularly virtuous intentions, but I also don't think the status quo was perfectly calibrated either. It's been a minute since I looked into this, but the pre-pandemic plans I saw for trimming the minor leagues were almost exclusively short season leagues with piddling attendance, many of which had D1 college baseball nearby so access to similar caliber baseball is not an issue. Maybe the pandemic changed things dramatically, I haven't seen any specifics, but I don't think the answer to 'is maintaining 6 levels of minor league baseball crucial to the sport's growth' is an unequivocal yes.
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Re: General Cubs Chit-Chat

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:57 pm

Any org that will use multiple variations of "we've gotta cut costs; times are tough" on the one hand, and then uses the other hand at the same time to continue to jack up ticket prices time and time again can go eat all of my shorts. They're never getting another cent from me.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:45 pm

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Postby Derwood » Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:02 pm

Wasn’t Kipnis hitting over .300 like a week ago? Can anyone beside Happ and Heyward hit on this team?
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Postby squally1313 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:57 pm

Derwood wrote:Wasn’t Kipnis hitting over .300 like a week ago? Can anyone beside Happ and Heyward hit on this team?


Team wide we're at a 102 wRC, 3rd best walk rate, 4th worst K rate, 6th in total offensive fWAR, though some of that is helped by baserunning (5th) and defense (9th).

Happ and Heyward are over 150 wRC, Rizzo/Schwarber/Kipnis/Bote are between 105 and 121. Contreras/Baez/Bryant/Hoerner have been very bad, Almora historically bad but he's gone so whatever.
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Postby Brian » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:50 pm

as everyone predicted, Cubs with the best outfield in baseball so far

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Postby Bertz » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:01 pm

The team has been unlucky with balls in play as well. They're 24th in BABIP at .274 despite being 4th in average exit velocity, 3rd in hard hit %, 5th in barrel%. The swing and miss is probably going to keep them from being elite offensively, but they should probably end up more in the 5-10 range rather than their current middle of the road production.
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Postby Derwood » Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:05 pm



That video is kinda completely awful
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm

I feel Jomboy has run its course.
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Postby CubinNY » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:59 pm

I know Ross has not be given much to work with in the bullpen this year, but he has shown a tendency to leave his starters in too long. I hope he's learning from his mistakes.
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Ding Dong Johnson wrote:I feel Jomboy has run its course.


and the course was short
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