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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:43 pm

Backtobanks wrote:During the game, they showed the offensive statistics comparing the pitcher batting eighth vs. batting ninth. The results were significantly better with the pitcher hitting ninth. So Maddon needs to prove those statistics wrong instead of doing what everybody else does.


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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Backtobanks » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:15 pm

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Backtobanks wrote:During the game, they showed the offensive statistics comparing the pitcher batting eighth vs. batting ninth. The results were significantly better with the pitcher hitting ninth. So Maddon needs to prove those statistics wrong instead of doing what everybody else does.


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As I've posted before, sometimes Maddon seems to want "to be different" to prove that he's a genius rather than doing what "traditional" managers would do and sometimes it's detremental to the team (i.e. batting Schwarber leadoff last year, Chapman's use in the WS, batting the pitcher 8th, etc.)
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:23 pm

I’m calling complete BS. The source is Kaplan for one, two the FO is too smart to base a decision off a horsefeathering wild card game and three the candidates are horsefeathering ridiculous. Girardi doesn’t fit the culture they’ve built one bit, Derosa is a horsefeathering idiot and Ross will have no authority role over these guys since he’s still buddies with them.

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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:39 pm

As much as possible, the manager needs to be based on whoever Bryce Harper wants to play for.
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Re: It's Maddoning

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FJM, by any means necessary.

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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:07 am

It might not be true but the reasons all make sense as small factors that add up to the Cubs deciding to go another direction. Joe was also apparently the one pushing to get rid of Mallee and hire Chili Davis.

Who knows? Well we might in a few days
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:39 am

Cubswin11 wrote:I’m calling complete BS. The source is Kaplan for one, two the FO is too smart to base a decision off a horsefeathering wild card game and three the candidates are horsefeathering ridiculous. Girardi doesn’t fit the culture they’ve built one bit, Derosa is a horsefeathering idiot and Ross will have no authority role over these guys since he’s still buddies with them.


They could be looking for a change of culture with a bunch of happy go lucky 22 year olds now being jaded 26 year olds.
DeRosa went to Penn (idiot ivy)
I would not worry one bit about Ross having "authority" over friends. They all hate him.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:46 am

damn, I almost floated DeRosa's name earlier as a joke. now I can't claim FIRST! when it happens
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby bcl412 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:34 am

It’ll be cool if in three weeks or whatever we’re laughing at this
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:39 am

bcl412 wrote:It’ll be cool if in three weeks or whatever we’re laughing at this


Because we're still going to be giddy over Maddon and his band of dingbats getting the boot?
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby sweetpeteman » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:48 am

I don't know if I can see Maddon being just straight up fired if they do decide to make a change. It's possible that he'll either "retire" or be promoted into a front office role.

It wouldn't necessarily surprise me if the front office and Maddon are having a philosophy difference. Mallee was the front office's guy and matched their philosophy on hitting: working the count, long at bats. Chili seems to be Maddon's guy, use all fields. Maddon got his guys this year, and the record really hides a very flawed team and approach.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby UK » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:30 am

Gary Discarina c'mon on down...

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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:09 am

sweetpeteman wrote:I don't know if I can see Maddon being just straight up fired if they do decide to make a change. It's possible that he'll either "retire" or be promoted into a front office role.

It wouldn't necessarily surprise me if the front office and Maddon are having a philosophy difference. Mallee was the front office's guy and matched their philosophy on hitting: working the count, long at bats. Chili seems to be Maddon's guy, use all fields. Maddon got his guys this year, and the record really hides a very flawed team and approach.
he was an angels coach and the angels need a new manager. They will mutually agree to part ways.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby BigSlick » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:11 am

i 100% do not desire Maddon getting fired no matter how weird he gets in games

however, if Chili Davis isn't immediately given the boot its pitchforks and torches time
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby sweetpeteman » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:16 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:
sweetpeteman wrote:I don't know if I can see Maddon being just straight up fired if they do decide to make a change. It's possible that he'll either "retire" or be promoted into a front office role.

It wouldn't necessarily surprise me if the front office and Maddon are having a philosophy difference. Mallee was the front office's guy and matched their philosophy on hitting: working the count, long at bats. Chili seems to be Maddon's guy, use all fields. Maddon got his guys this year, and the record really hides a very flawed team and approach.
he was an angels coach and the angels need a new manager. They will mutually agree to part ways.


That's it, trade him to the Angels for Trout!


But seriously, I think he can be traded just like a player...but I'm not sure.

EDIT: Unless something has changed recently, yes he can.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Brian » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:16 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:he was an angels coach and the angels need a new manager. They will mutually agree to part ways.


Trout for Maddon?

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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:17 am

I don’t necessarily want Maddon gone but I wouldn’t be 100% opposed to a change either. I might regret saying that at some point but I just feel like things have gotten very stale the last couple of years and personally I’m really annoyed with his comments about Addison.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby mtkafka » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:27 am

Maddon didn't have 16 K's vs the Rockies. Maddon is not going anywhere.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby cl smooth » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:28 am

More disappointing: 2004 cubs or 2018 cubs?

Let’s say Chili is fired. Who do you want to replace him?
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby mtkafka » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:35 am

"More disappointing: 2004 cubs or 2018 cubs?

Let’s say Chili is fired. Who do you want to replace him?"

I'm not that dissapointed as in 2004 because we finally have that WS. But I am pisssed we didn't get the NLC pennant. Overall wasn't expecting them to get to the WS this year honestly. There hitting has been so sporadic (except Baez) since All Star Break.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby sweetpeteman » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:35 am

cl smooth wrote:More disappointing: 2004 cubs or 2018 cubs?

Let’s say Chili is fired. Who do you want to replace him?



Manny.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Duke Silver » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:38 am

Bryce's dad for manager. Mike Bryant for hitting coach.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:41 am

Things Joe did well this year:

- Maximized the production they got out of Bote
- Did not fall into the Matheny trap of going all out to win every single game and burn out the pen
- IMO did a nice job of managing SP workloads and when they were pulled(leaned on Lester when needed, gave Hendricks more leash)
- Guided a bipolar offense and a battered pitching staff to 95 wins and best record in the NL in a division with 4 teams above .500

Things Joe did that were clearly bad this year:

- wore Contreras into the ground
- treated Murphy as an automatic every day starter when he should’ve been a platoon player that gets defensively replaced
- deprived Schwarber of some at bats by thinking he is radioactive defensively and/or against LHP
- lineup ordering became increasingly nonsensical, although this doesn’t really matter much
- foot in mouth about Russell’s domestic violence

Things Joe took too much heat for:

- imperfect bullpen decisions, considering 1) no one bats 1.000 on these 2) he was dealt a terrible hand with Morrow/Edwards’ limitations/injuries plus Strop getting hurt and Montgomery moving to the rotation
- playing Almora too much, all 3 CF options were terrible in the second half(plus Bryant’s injury and Russell’s injury plus performance couldn’t push Zobrist to the OF much) and Almora at least had defense going for him. Once Murphy was added he was played more appropriately given a slew of poor performing options.
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Re: It's Maddoning

Postby Andy » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:45 am

UMFan83 wrote:I don’t necessarily want Maddon gone but I wouldn’t be 100% opposed to a change either. I might regret saying that at some point but I just feel like things have gotten very stale the last couple of years and personally I’m really annoyed with his comments about Addison.

Yeah, I don't want him gone because I think he's a very good manager of personalities if not of games. I would understand if they made a change, though.
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