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It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:10 am
by CubinNY
Joe seems to have pretty significantly mishandled the pitching staff with his hand-picked pitching coach (see Theo's comments about Morrow). If the Cubs don't make it deep into the postseason what are the chances that his contract is not renewed?

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:11 am
by Tim
Maddon will be back.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:22 am
by Cubswin11
I’d be shocked if he’s gone. Only way he’s gone is if he retires, imo.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:02 am
by Banedon
CubinNY wrote:Joe seems to have pretty significantly mishandled the pitching staff with his hand-picked pitching coach (see Theo's comments about Morrow). If the Cubs don't make it deep into the postseason what are the chances that his contract is not renewed?


Zero

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:20 am
by jehr
I would be shocked if Joe isn't backed, but I am expecting some turnover on the medical staff. Someone's gonna take the fall...

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:36 pm
by mikeyt34
Banedon wrote:
CubinNY wrote:Joe seems to have pretty significantly mishandled the pitching staff with his hand-picked pitching coach (see Theo's comments about Morrow). If the Cubs don't make it deep into the postseason what are the chances that his contract is not renewed?


Zero


Less than Zero. Why is this even a conversation?

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:02 pm
by Banedon
mikeyt34 wrote:
Banedon wrote:
CubinNY wrote:Joe seems to have pretty significantly mishandled the pitching staff with his hand-picked pitching coach (see Theo's comments about Morrow). If the Cubs don't make it deep into the postseason what are the chances that his contract is not renewed?


Zero


Less than Zero. Why is this even a conversation?


Because two years removed from a World Series championship we're so spoiled that being about to win a 3rd straight division championship, with a team that has dealt with a huge number of injuries, is insufficient.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:53 pm
by Bull
Banedon wrote:
mikeyt34 wrote:
Banedon wrote:
Zero


Less than Zero. Why is this even a conversation?


Because two years removed from a World Series championship we're so spoiled that being about to win a 3rd straight division championship, with a team that has dealt with a huge number of injuries, is insufficient.

I like being spoiled.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:30 pm
by davell
Yeah, being spoiled is awesome.

I definitely have some issues with how Joe uses the pen, but not nearly to the point I'd want him gone or anything. And if I did, it wouldn't matter anyway, because he's not going anywhere.

But yeah, I'd suspect our 4 star Yelp doctor and staff are history after the season.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:35 pm
by Sammy Sofa
I'm always down to FJM, but it ain't happening.

Though I am pretty confident he won't be with the Cubs after his contract is up next year.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:44 pm
by Banedon
Sammy Sofa wrote:I'm always down to FJM, but it ain't happening.

Though I am pretty confident he won't be with the Cubs after his contract is up next year.


Only if he doesn't want to be.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:01 pm
by Sammy Sofa
Banedon wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:I'm always down to FJM, but it ain't happening.

Though I am pretty confident he won't be with the Cubs after his contract is up next year.


Only if he doesn't want to be.


Let me have my dreams.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:02 pm
by Duke Silver
Once PTR sees how much he's spent on wine this year, it's sure to be the end of Drinky Joe.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:10 pm
by mul21
davell wrote:Yeah, being spoiled is awesome.

I definitely have some issues with how Joe uses the pen, but not nearly to the point I'd want him gone or anything. And if I did, it wouldn't matter anyway, because he's not going anywhere.

But yeah, I'd suspect our 4 star Yelp doctor and staff are history after the season.


Not to mention you'd then have to go find someone who is actually better than Joe and I'm not sure that's a likely thing either.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:25 pm
by Cubswin11
mul21 wrote:
davell wrote:Yeah, being spoiled is awesome.

I definitely have some issues with how Joe uses the pen, but not nearly to the point I'd want him gone or anything. And if I did, it wouldn't matter anyway, because he's not going anywhere.

But yeah, I'd suspect our 4 star Yelp doctor and staff are history after the season.


Not to mention you'd then have to go find someone who is actually better than Joe and I'm not sure that's a likely thing either.

Yeah, I’ve already said it but that’s my biggest concern/fear with letting Joe go. I think it’s far more likely we end up with someone worse than someone better. Or at best we find a guy who’s better than Joe at some thing(s) and worse than him at others and it’s just shifting value around. I’ll take Joe’s ability to run a clubhouse and be a CEO with managing the atmosphere, mental side, etc over a marathon season and his bullpen and lineup shortcomings over just about any other trade off.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:45 pm
by TBS Playoffs Insider
I could see the FO re-remaking the coaching staff this year with an eye toward finding someone to be an in-house Maddon replacement soon. Maddon could either step away after next year if things go really well (or really badly) in these playoffs and 2019, or sign a short-term deal after 2019.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:50 pm
by jersey cubs fan
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I could see the FO re-remaking the coaching staff this year with an eye toward finding someone to be an in-house Maddon replacement soon. Maddon could either step away after next year if things go really well (or really badly) in these playoffs and 2019, or sign a short-term deal after 2019.

Re-making this coaching staff one year after a nearly complete overhaul is going to be difficult. Are they just going to push out Brandon Hyde?

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:53 pm
by TBS Playoffs Insider
jersey cubs fan wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I could see the FO re-remaking the coaching staff this year with an eye toward finding someone to be an in-house Maddon replacement soon. Maddon could either step away after next year if things go really well (or really badly) in these playoffs and 2019, or sign a short-term deal after 2019.

Re-making this coaching staff one year after a nearly complete overhaul is going to be difficult. Are they just going to push out Brandon Hyde?


hell maybe they like hyde to be the next guy considering the guy he replaced got a head job(nice)

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:59 pm
by Ding Dong Johnson
jersey cubs fan wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I could see the FO re-remaking the coaching staff this year with an eye toward finding someone to be an in-house Maddon replacement soon. Maddon could either step away after next year if things go really well (or really badly) in these playoffs and 2019, or sign a short-term deal after 2019.

Re-making this coaching staff one year after a nearly complete overhaul is going to be difficult. Are they just going to push out Brandon Hyde?

hyde always makes me think of

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Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:33 pm
by Transmogrified Tiger
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I could see the FO re-remaking the coaching staff this year with an eye toward finding someone to be an in-house Maddon replacement soon. Maddon could either step away after next year if things go really well (or really badly) in these playoffs and 2019, or sign a short-term deal after 2019.


I could see them thinking about Hyde as a protege of sorts, with as much as he's bounced back and forth between the front office and the dugout.

I can also see the logic in thinking that every 5 years or so you need to get some fresh managerial perspective because you end up too calcified in your beliefs(good or bad) about the players you've been working with for years. That's especially true of the Cubs who have had a really consistent set of position players.

Ultimately though there's no way they're going to get rid of Joe for performance reasons when he's winning so much(if they lose out the regular season, Maddon's still is averaging 95 wins/year), doubly so when there's such a built in excuse for this year's disappointment. There's gonna be a lot of suboptimal decisions when your closer needs to be handled with kid gloves and Edwards isn't exactly a workhorse either(plus Strop got hurt). Theo's quotes reminding people the bullpen has the best ERA in the game imply he thinks similarly. Maybe they try to get some more back-end firepower outside of bargain shopping to remove all doubt for next year?

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:33 pm
by CyHawk_Cub

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:36 pm
by JennieGarthAlgar
CubinNY wrote:(see Theo's comments about Morrow).


Cant cause you didnt provide them and I was bored at work and googled what you said and cant seem to find anything about what you are talking about

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:39 pm
by CubinNY
JennieGarthAlgar wrote:
CubinNY wrote:(see Theo's comments about Morrow).


Cant cause you didnt provide them and I was bored at work and googled what you said and cant seem to find anything about what you are talking about

Theo said Marrow was injured after a game. The game was one in which he shouldn't have been pitching in but Joe blew the bullpen.

Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:09 pm
by Banedon
CubinNY wrote:Joe blew the bullpen.


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Re: It's Maddoning

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:17 pm
by jersey cubs fan
CubinNY wrote:Joe blew the bullpen.


you forgot to say "away" again.