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Re: The Chili has gone bad

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:22 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:The league wide offensive drop off probably is due to more bullpening (more platoon disadvantage for hitters, more premium stuff faced, less seeing a SP 3rd time, etc) and I think the ball wasn’t as juiced this year (Someone did one of those x-ray or whatever studies with balls from this year vs last year around the ASB I think).


the lack of juiced balls could explain less power in the league, but is there another team that had a 25% loss in hrs? Its an honest question.
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Re: The Chili has gone bad

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:27 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:The league wide offensive drop off probably is due to more bullpening (more platoon disadvantage for hitters, more premium stuff faced, less seeing a SP 3rd time, etc) and I think the ball wasn’t as juiced this year (Someone did one of those x-ray or whatever studies with balls from this year vs last year around the ASB I think).


the lack of juiced balls could explain less power in the league, but is there another team that had a 25% loss in hrs? Its an honest question.


11 teams lost at least 19%, 5 lost at least 24%, but those other 4 are more explainable(Marlins, Mets, Tigers, Rays)
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Re: The Chili has gone bad

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:33 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:The league wide offensive drop off probably is due to more bullpening (more platoon disadvantage for hitters, more premium stuff faced, less seeing a SP 3rd time, etc) and I think the ball wasn’t as juiced this year (Someone did one of those x-ray or whatever studies with balls from this year vs last year around the ASB I think).


the lack of juiced balls could explain less power in the league, but is there another team that had a 25% loss in hrs? Its an honest question.


11 teams lost at least 19%, 5 lost at least 24%, but those other 4 are more explainable(Marlins, Mets, Tigers, Rays)


to be fair, I don't think Chili deserves to be treated with malice because of this, but I also don't see fans really blaming him for the offensive struggles in an exaggerated way. His philosophy is flawed. Whats the old saying?:: Chicks dig the long ball.
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Re: The Chili has gone bad

Postby UMFan83 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:42 pm

Looking into the Cubs batted ball numbers between 2017 and 2018 is interesting

GB%
2017 - 45.5% (10th highest)
2018 - 46.0% (3rd highest)

OK so they hit more ground balls but only 5 more grounders per 1000 batted balls, pretty close to the same

LD%
2017 - 19.6% (22nd)
2018 - 21.4% (16th)

Here they actually increased over 2018 fairly significantly but are still sitting middle of the league

Hard Hit%
2017 - 31.2% (18th)
2018 - 31.7% (28th)

They actually had a higher percentage of hard hit balls (though only by 0.5%) but despite that plummeted to the bottom of the league. This probably has something to do with the league wide focus on line drives, launch angle, exit velocity, etc.

BABIP
2017 - .302 (15th)
2018 - .313 (2nd)

What does this tell us? I don't know just thought they were interesting as I would have expected a large increase in GB% and drops in LD% and Hard Hit%. I guess this is where the Chili-led focus on putting it in play instead of focusing on hitting it hard with a good launch angle might show up.

Also BABIP is interesting because some people credited Chili ball with the Cubs being at the top of the league in BA, and some of that might be true if they are hitting it harder but keeping it in the park.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:20 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:why the horsefeathers was brad pitt in that movie lmao


Wait until Theo's goofy ass is played by Oscar Isaac or some horsefeathers.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:24 pm

Man, some of you are nuts with this, "if they win one more game, we're not even talking about this" horsefeathers. Even if they farted out one more, it was glaringly obvious how bad the offense was in the second half, and how bad the power was all year, even before Bryant went down. They win one more game and the division, they still almost certainly put up a Rockies-esque performance in the series and Chili still gets bounced.

These dudes flat out sucked as a team re:dongs even when they were healthy outside of, like, 3 guys. Even accounting for general downturns and Bryant's injury (largely offset by Baez's insane year), the Cubs' dongs were puny and laughable.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:20 am

and kb only hit like 3 balls out of the infield before he got hurt anyway
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:30 am

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:and kb only hit like 3 balls out of the infield before he got hurt anyway


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Postby David » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:35 pm

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:and kb only hit like 3 balls out of the infield before he got hurt anyway


https://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?p ... 19&season=

Based on this

https://www.cubsinsider.com/2018/06/26/ ... er-injury/
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Postby cl smooth » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:55 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:why the horsefeathers was brad pitt in that movie lmao


Wait until Theo's goofy ass is played by Oscar Isaac or some horsefeathers.


Rami Malek.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:29 pm

David wrote:
Ding Dong Johnson wrote:and kb only hit like 3 balls out of the infield before he got hurt anyway


https://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?p ... 19&season=

Based on this

https://www.cubsinsider.com/2018/06/26/ ... er-injury/

holy horsefeathers, did you think I was being serious?
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Postby David » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:49 pm

admittedly i only read the last two posts so i have no clue what is actually going on here
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Postby Derwood » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:41 pm

David wrote:admittedly i only read the last two posts so i have no clue what is actually going on here


Hey, that’s my gimmick
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:24 am

Fairly interesting article. Says he was not able to connect at all with several players, talked about refining his message to get through to “millennials” etc. was a big fan of Zobrist though but declined to comment on everyone else.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/chi ... 1539653813
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Postby KrisBryantisaBeast » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:31 am

UMFan83 wrote:Fairly interesting article. Says he was not able to connect at all with several players, talked about refining his message to get through to “millennials” etc. was a big fan of Zobrist though but declined to comment on everyone else.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/chi ... 1539653813


Well if he can't connect with "Millennials" then he has no business being a coach anymore then.
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Postby treebird » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:34 am

UMFan83 wrote:Fairly interesting article. Says he was not able to connect at all with several players, talked about refining his message to get through to “millennials” etc. was a big fan of Zobrist though but declined to comment on everyone else.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/chi ... 1539653813


millennials, i knew it was them. even when it was the opposite field ground balls, i knew it was them gif
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:36 am

KrisBryantisaBeast wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Fairly interesting article. Says he was not able to connect at all with several players, talked about refining his message to get through to “millennials” etc. was a big fan of Zobrist though but declined to comment on everyone else.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/chi ... 1539653813


Well if he can't connect with "Millennials" then he has no business being a coach anymore then.


Agreed. I just think it’s interesting that he made excuses about players not listening to him and stuff instead of just sticking with “it didn’t work out”. Means either the dude doesn’t like to take accountability or the players really did not listen to him. Or both
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Postby r_mack » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:08 am

IIRC Rizzo didn't seem like a fan of Chili in the media.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:04 am

If the players didn't listen to him we would have hit 200 HR again, right?

Truthfully... what a weird horsefeathering year. We literally had the highest non-pitcher wRC+ in the entire league at the half. We were rolling. I was fine with the approach as we were scoring a horsefeathers ton of runs... and then they just, disappeared. Bryant getting hurt (which, really, his season turned after that [expletive] Marquez beaned him) had a noticeable effect but there was still talent there to produce runs. We went from a 265/345 to a 245/315. IMO, quite a bit of this falls on Maddon. From day 1 he hasn't exactly been a proponent of the modern way of preparation (he never wanted to bog his young hitters down with information and have them thinking too much at the plate, and I think this has factored in the lack of improvement among several players; in fact I don't feel like many of our guys watch video and look at heat maps and the like) and he espoused the value of using the whole field (which, I have done, also) and passing the baton down the line.

I think the hitters listened.

I saw a whole lot of passive contact. No real idea of what's coming and just helplessly trying to put the ball in play. In this day and age that just doesn't play. I wanted our young hitters to hit more balls to the opposite field, but with authority. Know that they are staying outside and horsefeathering sit on that horsefeathers. We probably allowed 5x the amount of oppo bombs as we hit ourselves. If you took Javy out of the equation it is probably 10x (i am clearly exaggerating). See, Javy adapted. He knew that nobody wants to come in on him so he started sitting on outside pitches (and curveballs, which the rest of the team looks funny swinging at) and crushing em. Not all of them cleared the wall but this is how he racked up so many XBH. Javy increased his oppo rate by 5% and his hard contact by 3. Not massive jumps but noticeable. Javy seemed like the only young/core player who adjusted to how he was being pitched consistently... and that's pretty frightening.

What you have is a bunch of guys out there winging it. The way that Joe likes it. While the rest of the league turned the screws we just flailed away.

We now have our 3rd hitting coach of the Maddon era, which isn't a great look for the organization, IMO. But Joe has to shoulder a lot of that blame.
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Re: The Chili has gone bad

Postby Banedon » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:03 pm

Wait, the fired guy DOESN'T think it was all his fault? That's weird.
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Postby Backtobanks » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:47 pm

UMFan83 wrote:
KrisBryantisaBeast wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Fairly interesting article. Says he was not able to connect at all with several players, talked about refining his message to get through to “millennials” etc. was a big fan of Zobrist though but declined to comment on everyone else.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/chi ... 1539653813


Well if he can't connect with "Millennials" then he has no business being a coach anymore then.


Agreed. I just think it’s interesting that he made excuses about players not listening to him and stuff instead of just sticking with “it didn’t work out”. Means either the dude doesn’t like to take accountability or the players really did not listen to him. Or both


So now that we solved the problem by firing Davis, does that mean we don't have to spend $400,000,000 on Harper or Machado? :-"
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Postby Banedon » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:48 pm

Backtobanks wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:
KrisBryantisaBeast wrote:
Well if he can't connect with "Millennials" then he has no business being a coach anymore then.


Agreed. I just think it’s interesting that he made excuses about players not listening to him and stuff instead of just sticking with “it didn’t work out”. Means either the dude doesn’t like to take accountability or the players really did not listen to him. Or both


So now that we solved the problem by firing Davis, does that mean we don't have to spend $400,000,000 on Harper or Machado? :-"


No.
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Kind of surprised this hasn’t been posted yet

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Backtobanks wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:
KrisBryantisaBeast wrote:
Well if he can't connect with "Millennials" then he has no business being a coach anymore then.


Agreed. I just think it’s interesting that he made excuses about players not listening to him and stuff instead of just sticking with “it didn’t work out”. Means either the dude doesn’t like to take accountability or the players really did not listen to him. Or both


So now that we solved the problem by firing Davis, does that mean we don't have to spend $400,000,000 on Harper or Machado? :-"

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Re: The Chili has gone bad

Postby r_mack » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:39 pm

Millennials killed chili
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