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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:43 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Feels like Loretta is so much the archetype of recent managerial trends that they'd have to actively dislike him once seeing him up close to not consider him the favorite right now.

He's the bench coach, don't you think they've seen him up close already?
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:04 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Feels like Loretta is so much the archetype of recent managerial trends that they'd have to actively dislike him once seeing him up close to not consider him the favorite right now.

He's the bench coach, don't you think they've seen him up close already?


Sorry, I really mangled that thought. The fact that they hired Loretta, who fits the next-gen manager profile exactly, as bench coach means he has to be favorite IMO, unless 2019 revealed something they unexpectedly did not like about him.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:14 pm

I would think from a PR perspective, simply sliding to the bench coach wouldn't exactly be looked at tremendously well. I mean, I know we WANT the team to be run by super sexy emotionless robots who don't care about such things...but it's not.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Post Count Padder » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:47 pm

Guys, hear me out.....

Kyle Hendricks: Player-manager
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

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Post Count Padder wrote:Guys, hear me out.....

Kyle Hendricks: Player-manager

Javy Baez or we riot.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Banedon » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:38 pm

When Theo is preaching the idea of "change is good", going to Loretta, who has been sitting right there in the dugout, seems like it's not really following through on the concept.

It could be argued that Ross doesn't follow through on that concept either since he's been around, but he's not been in any position of real authority.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby David » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:42 pm

Ross makes a lot of sense to me. He's tight with the FO so he'll probably follow their lead on roster decisions/player usage and he has both the respect and admiration of most of this roster. He's also not afraid to be an horsefeathers to them if it's called for. If magic leadership stuff exists in any form, he probably has it. And he's cheap.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby CubinNY » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:21 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Feels like Loretta is so much the archetype of recent managerial trends that they'd have to actively dislike him once seeing him up close to not consider him the favorite right now.

He's the bench coach, don't you think they've seen him up close already?


Sorry, I really mangled that thought. The fact that they hired Loretta, who fits the next-gen manager profile exactly, as bench coach means he has to be favorite IMO, unless 2019 revealed something they unexpectedly did not like about him.


He's got the taint of Maddon.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:23 pm

CubinNY wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:He's the bench coach, don't you think they've seen him up close already?


Sorry, I really mangled that thought. The fact that they hired Loretta, who fits the next-gen manager profile exactly, as bench coach means he has to be favorite IMO, unless 2019 revealed something they unexpectedly did not like about him.


He's got the taint of Maddon.

must have been a gruesome surgery to acquire it
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:37 pm

CubinNY wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:He's the bench coach, don't you think they've seen him up close already?


Sorry, I really mangled that thought. The fact that they hired Loretta, who fits the next-gen manager profile exactly, as bench coach means he has to be favorite IMO, unless 2019 revealed something they unexpectedly did not like about him.


He's got the taint of Maddon.


They very publicly and intentionally made Joe a lame duck, so if they are seriously considering Loretta, I doubt they care too much about the association they've created by making him Joe's bench coach for a year.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:49 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Sorry, I really mangled that thought. The fact that they hired Loretta, who fits the next-gen manager profile exactly, as bench coach means he has to be favorite IMO, unless 2019 revealed something they unexpectedly did not like about him.


He's got the taint of Maddon.

must have been a gruesome surgery to acquire it


It's insane, that guy's taint.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:50 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Sorry, I really mangled that thought. The fact that they hired Loretta, who fits the next-gen manager profile exactly, as bench coach means he has to be favorite IMO, unless 2019 revealed something they unexpectedly did not like about him.


He's got the taint of Maddon.


They very publicly and intentionally made Joe a lame duck, so if they are seriously considering Loretta, I doubt they care too much about the association they've created by making him Joe's bench coach for a year.


Wouldn't the bold essentially make "seriously considering Loretta" not likely?
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby ConstableRabbit » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:02 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
He's got the taint of Maddon.


They very publicly and intentionally made Joe a lame duck, so if they are seriously considering Loretta, I doubt they care too much about the association they've created by making him Joe's bench coach for a year.


Wouldn't the bold essentially make "seriously considering Loretta" not likely?

Yeah, Joe wasn't exactly a lame duck.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:15 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
He's got the taint of Maddon.

must have been a gruesome surgery to acquire it


It's insane, that guy's taint.

thanks for making me rewatch that
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jersey cubs fan wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:must have been a gruesome surgery to acquire it


It's insane, that guy's taint.

thanks for making me rewatch that


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Postby Tryptamine » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:04 pm

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Post Count Padder wrote:Guys, hear me out.....

Kyle Hendricks: Player-manager

Javy Baez or we riot.


Going to be hard to fill out the lineup card when you only know half the player's names.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

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Sammy Sofa wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
He's got the taint of Maddon.


They very publicly and intentionally made Joe a lame duck, so if they are seriously considering Loretta, I doubt they care too much about the association they've created by making him Joe's bench coach for a year.


Wouldn't the bold essentially make "seriously considering Loretta" not likely?


Not sure I follow. To maybe clarify, all I'm saying is that the Cubs clearly had an eye on at least the possibility of Joe not coming back when they hired Loretta. I don't think they'd hire a bench coach they had zero interest in as a future manager, and therefore I don't think his one year association with Joe is a negative in their minds.
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Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
They very publicly and intentionally made Joe a lame duck, so if they are seriously considering Loretta, I doubt they care too much about the association they've created by making him Joe's bench coach for a year.


Wouldn't the bold essentially make "seriously considering Loretta" not likely?


Not sure I follow. To maybe clarify, all I'm saying is that the Cubs clearly had an eye on at least the possibility of Joe not coming back when they hired Loretta. I don't think they'd hire a bench coach they had zero interest in as a future manager, and therefore I don't think his one year association with Joe is a negative in their minds.


I'm saying that you don't hire someone to be the second fiddle to a lame duck manager if you're likely to promote them after pushing the latter out the door. The people in charge are, quite frankly, completely tone deaf and possibly legally blind if they think simply promoting someone who was working under Maddon, even if only technically for a year, is something they can sell as really making a change.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:31 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
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Wouldn't the bold essentially make "seriously considering Loretta" not likely?


Not sure I follow. To maybe clarify, all I'm saying is that the Cubs clearly had an eye on at least the possibility of Joe not coming back when they hired Loretta. I don't think they'd hire a bench coach they had zero interest in as a future manager, and therefore I don't think his one year association with Joe is a negative in their minds.


I'm saying that you don't hire someone to be the second fiddle to a lame duck manager if you're likely to promote them after pushing the latter out the door. The people in charge are, quite frankly, completely tone deaf and possibly legally blind if they think simply promoting someone who was working under Maddon, even if only technically for a year, is something they can sell as really making a change.


They're going out of their way to overwhelmingly praise/absolve Joe on his way out, so I'm not sure they particularly care about selling a particular level of change in that regard.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:36 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:They're going out of their way to overwhelmingly praise/absolve Joe on his way out, so I'm not sure they particularly care about selling a particular level of change in that regard.


Right, because, shocker, they DO value things like optics/PR with moves like this. Maddon is widely liked by the fanbase because of the WS, hence why they didn't actually fire him and are trying to ride this out as smoothly as possible. Simply signing his backup doesn't work for both the people mad to see Joe gone ("If they're just going to promote the bench coach, then why not keep Joe?!?!" etc.), and not for most of the people who were also looking for the Cubs to move on and try something different. It's a lose/lose proposition PR-wise that makes almost nobody happy except the FO and a tiny, tiny, tiny sliver of fans that would be creepily pumped over Loretta managing the Cubs.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:40 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:They're going out of their way to overwhelmingly praise/absolve Joe on his way out, so I'm not sure they particularly care about selling a particular level of change in that regard.


Right, because, shocker, they DO value things like optics/PR with moves like this. Maddon is widely liked by the fanbase because of the WS, hence why they didn't actually fire him and are trying to ride this out as smoothly as possible. Simply signing his backup doesn't work for both the people mad to see Joe gone ("If they're just going to promote the bench coach, then why not keep Joe?!?!" etc.), and not for most of the people who were also looking for the Cubs to move on and try something different. It's a lose/lose proposition PR-wise that makes almost nobody happy except the FO and a tiny, tiny, tiny sliver of fans that would be creepily pumped over Loretta managing the Cubs.

I'm pretty sure less than 10% of the population realizes Loretta was the bench coach, so the PR thing won't really come into play.
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I kind of wonder if it might be Borzello.
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jersey cubs fan wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:They're going out of their way to overwhelmingly praise/absolve Joe on his way out, so I'm not sure they particularly care about selling a particular level of change in that regard.


Right, because, shocker, they DO value things like optics/PR with moves like this. Maddon is widely liked by the fanbase because of the WS, hence why they didn't actually fire him and are trying to ride this out as smoothly as possible. Simply signing his backup doesn't work for both the people mad to see Joe gone ("If they're just going to promote the bench coach, then why not keep Joe?!?!" etc.), and not for most of the people who were also looking for the Cubs to move on and try something different. It's a lose/lose proposition PR-wise that makes almost nobody happy except the FO and a tiny, tiny, tiny sliver of fans that would be creepily pumped over Loretta managing the Cubs.

I'm pretty sure less than 10% of the population realizes Loretta was the bench coach, so the PR thing won't really come into play.


I had no idea until a week ago when the gambling odds on who the next manager would be came out and I had to google him to find out where he was coaching this year.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:43 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:They're going out of their way to overwhelmingly praise/absolve Joe on his way out, so I'm not sure they particularly care about selling a particular level of change in that regard.


Right, because, shocker, they DO value things like optics/PR with moves like this. Maddon is widely liked by the fanbase because of the WS, hence why they didn't actually fire him and are trying to ride this out as smoothly as possible. Simply signing his backup doesn't work for both the people mad to see Joe gone ("If they're just going to promote the bench coach, then why not keep Joe?!?!" etc.), and not for most of the people who were also looking for the Cubs to move on and try something different. It's a lose/lose proposition PR-wise that makes almost nobody happy except the FO and a tiny, tiny, tiny sliver of fans that would be creepily pumped over Loretta managing the Cubs.

I'm pretty sure less than 10% of the population realizes Loretta was the bench coach, so the PR thing won't really come into play.


You're right; nothing about him will ever be discussed once his name starts coming up. Nobody will ever knnnnnoooooowwwwwwwww....

Come on; the new manager is like the one place they have real wiggle room to sell the whole "it's time for a change" thing after the stinkers of the last two seasons. I don't particularly have any issue with Loretta as the manager, but simply promoting from within like that is such a long wet fart in a quiet church.
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