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Postby Banedon » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:58 pm

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Postby GaryWoods » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:28 pm

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He'd better just stay there until he catches Catfish Hunter.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:00 pm

welp...if he's fishing for his favorite (sea bass) in Montana, he might just be there a loooong time
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:47 pm

Speaking of a retired Dusty Baker and a hypothetically fired Dave Roberts:

https://theundefeated.com/features/the- ... -robinson/

It took Gary Jones absolutely no time to find success as a baseball manager. At 30 years old and in his first season as skipper of the Madison (Wisconsin) Muskies, he led the Class-A ballclub to a 77-61 record and to the 1991 Midwest League championship game.

The team would fall to the Clinton (Iowa) Giants, 3-0, but Jones received the Midwest League Manager of the Year award for his team’s success. Four years later and coming off a 1994 Southern League championship with the Double-A Huntsville (Alabama) Stars, Jones decided to interview for the Oakland Athletics’ managerial opening left by Hall of Famer Tony La Russa in 1995.

At two different levels, he had shown he was capable of guiding teams to the title game. But Oakland ultimately picked Art Howe for his experience, Jones recalled. So he went back to work in the minors, winning back-to-back Pacific Coast League championships with Edmonton (Alberta, Canada) in 1996 and 1997. He moved up to the major leagues in 2013 as third-base coach of the Chicago Cubs.

After 27 years as a manager or coach, four minor league Manager of the Year awards and a World Series title in 2016 with the Cubs, the 57-year-old has yet to become a manager with a Major League Baseball team. Jones is still holding out hope that one day he’ll get the call.

“It’s still an aspiration of mine to manage at the major league level,” Jones said. “I feel like I’ve paid my dues. You pull up my bio and my history and most of the teams I’ve been involved with have normally been winning teams, whether it be at the minor league level or major league level. I’ve never been one to toot my own horn, but I feel like I’ve been a big part of those situations.

“Not getting opportunities, not getting interviews. … I don’t have an agent. I just do my thing and hope my work will speak for itself. Sometimes, you sit back and see other guys getting opportunities with way less experience, and I’m not going to lie, sometimes I do shake my head and wonder, ‘Why don’t I get an opportunity to be put in that situation?'”

Jones, who is managing the Lehigh Valley IronPigs, the Philadelphia Phillies’ Triple-A affiliate, after the Cubs let him go in 2017, is asking a question that many African-Americans aspiring to manage at the highest level have been asking for the past 50 years.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby TarzanJoeWallis » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:38 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Speaking of a retired Dusty Baker and a hypothetically fired Dave Roberts:

https://theundefeated.com/features/the- ... -robinson/

It took Gary Jones absolutely no time to find success as a baseball manager. At 30 years old and in his first season as skipper of the Madison (Wisconsin) Muskies, he led the Class-A ballclub to a 77-61 record and to the 1991 Midwest League championship game.

The team would fall to the Clinton (Iowa) Giants, 3-0, but Jones received the Midwest League Manager of the Year award for his team’s success. Four years later and coming off a 1994 Southern League championship with the Double-A Huntsville (Alabama) Stars, Jones decided to interview for the Oakland Athletics’ managerial opening left by Hall of Famer Tony La Russa in 1995.

At two different levels, he had shown he was capable of guiding teams to the title game. But Oakland ultimately picked Art Howe for his experience, Jones recalled. So he went back to work in the minors, winning back-to-back Pacific Coast League championships with Edmonton (Alberta, Canada) in 1996 and 1997. He moved up to the major leagues in 2013 as third-base coach of the Chicago Cubs.

After 27 years as a manager or coach, four minor league Manager of the Year awards and a World Series title in 2016 with the Cubs, the 57-year-old has yet to become a manager with a Major League Baseball team. Jones is still holding out hope that one day he’ll get the call.

“It’s still an aspiration of mine to manage at the major league level,” Jones said. “I feel like I’ve paid my dues. You pull up my bio and my history and most of the teams I’ve been involved with have normally been winning teams, whether it be at the minor league level or major league level. I’ve never been one to toot my own horn, but I feel like I’ve been a big part of those situations.

“Not getting opportunities, not getting interviews. … I don’t have an agent. I just do my thing and hope my work will speak for itself. Sometimes, you sit back and see other guys getting opportunities with way less experience, and I’m not going to lie, sometimes I do shake my head and wonder, ‘Why don’t I get an opportunity to be put in that situation?'”

Jones, who is managing the Lehigh Valley IronPigs, the Philadelphia Phillies’ Triple-A affiliate, after the Cubs let him go in 2017, is asking a question that many African-Americans aspiring to manage at the highest level have been asking for the past 50 years.

I worked in minor league baseball years ago and Gary was our manager in Reno. My all-time favorite manager during my time in baseball and my all-time favorite guy too.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:49 am

8 horsefeathering hours?????

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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:58 am

Cubswin11 wrote:8 horsefeathering hours?????


All day interview isn't that uncommon for a senior position in the business world. If you're speaking with a lot of people on the leadership team plus lunch it's not really absurd.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:00 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:8 horsefeathering hours?????


All day interview isn't that uncommon for a senior position in the business world. If you're speaking with a lot of people on the leadership team plus lunch it's not really absurd.

Oh I know, I’m more just upset they essentially wasted a full day on Girardi.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:02 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:8 horsefeathering hours?????


All day interview isn't that uncommon for a senior position in the business world. If you're speaking with a lot of people on the leadership team plus lunch it's not really absurd.

Oh I know, I’m more just upset they essentially wasted a full day on Girardi.

Lots of binders to go through.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

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Cubswin11 wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:8 horsefeathering hours?????


All day interview isn't that uncommon for a senior position in the business world. If you're speaking with a lot of people on the leadership team plus lunch it's not really absurd.

Oh I know, I’m more just upset they essentially wasted a full day on Girardi.

Sources tell me that they asked him to manage a simulated game and the Cubs were losing 10-2 in the second inning, so took a lot longer than expected.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Bear Cub » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:03 am

Happy for Dave Martinez.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:30 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm not very impressed with Roberts the tactician(although admittedly that's in the playoffs which are a slightly different animal), but if I'm going to live up to my words about caring the most about player development, I can't ignore that the Dodgers have been the absolute gold standard at it. Yes they've had plenty of top prospects, but they've all hit, and they also have been able to resurrect careers too(Muncy, Turner, Hill, Morrow, etc)


To clarify, we never meant to impute any type of competence to Dave Roberts' managerial abilities. TT Inc apologizes for the error and the person responsible has been sacked.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby champaignchris » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:37 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm not very impressed with Roberts the tactician(although admittedly that's in the playoffs which are a slightly different animal), but if I'm going to live up to my words about caring the most about player development, I can't ignore that the Dodgers have been the absolute gold standard at it. Yes they've had plenty of top prospects, but they've all hit, and they also have been able to resurrect careers too(Muncy, Turner, Hill, Morrow, etc)


To clarify, we never meant to impute any type of competence to Dave Roberts' managerial abilities. TT Inc apologizes for the error and the person responsible has been sacked.


Did Roberts just Grady Little himself out of a job?
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby cl smooth » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:38 pm

And now Gabe Kapler is available. Phillies just fired him.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby GaryWoods » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:33 pm

cl smooth wrote:And now Gabe Kapler is available. Phillies just fired him.


I'd prefer Gabe Kaplan.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby JennieGarthAlgar » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:43 pm

Bet the Phillies hire Girardi
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JennieGarthAlgar wrote:Bet the Phillies hire Girardi

I hope he ends up there or on the Mets
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Ross is interviewing today, fwiw
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Cubswin11 wrote:Ross is interviewing today, fwiw


Going to be interesting to see the teamwide mutiny if Ross gets hired. No one wants to have that horsefeathers anywhere near the team on a regular basis again.

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UMFan83 wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Ross is interviewing today, fwiw


Going to be interesting to see the teamwide mutiny if Ross gets hired. No one wants to have that horsefeathers anywhere near the team on a regular basis again.

#wherehaveyougoneMarinersRevenge



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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Brian » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:13 pm

HawkeTrackler wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Ross is interviewing today, fwiw


Going to be interesting to see the teamwide mutiny if Ross gets hired. No one wants to have that horsefeathers anywhere near the team on a regular basis again.

#wherehaveyougoneMarinersRevenge



I feel like I'm missing something here.


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1004&p=153045#p153045

and the posts around that one
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

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Brian wrote:
HawkeTrackler wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:
Going to be interesting to see the teamwide mutiny if Ross gets hired. No one wants to have that horsefeathers anywhere near the team on a regular basis again.

#wherehaveyougoneMarinersRevenge



I feel like I'm missing something here.


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1004&p=153045#p153045

and the posts around that one

That thread and the Bums anthology should be required reading before anyone posts on here
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby Irrelevant Dude » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:33 pm

Bear Cub wrote:Happy for Dave Martinez.

Me too. Even though he only played with the Cubs for a few years, he was one of my favorite players as a kid. I thought, as most did, that he was toast earlier this season. I'm really glad the Nationals stuck with him and turned things around. It also provides a future counter-argument to the "fire the manager to give the team a spark" school of thought.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:33 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Brian wrote:
HawkeTrackler wrote:

I feel like I'm missing something here.


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1004&p=153045#p153045

and the posts around that one

That thread and the Bums anthology should be required reading before anyone posts on here

Pretty sure that Raisin Bran box was never even opened. Probably threw it away 6 months later.
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Re: Cubs Manager Search

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:36 pm

Irrelevant Dude wrote:
Bear Cub wrote:Happy for Dave Martinez.

Me too. Even though he only played with the Cubs for a few years, he was one of my favorite players as a kid. I thought, as most did, that he was toast earlier this season. I'm really glad the Nationals stuck with him and turned things around. It also provides a future counter-argument to the "fire the manager to give the team a spark" school of thought.

"Fire the manager to give the team a spark" is more of a thing you do with guy who has been around a while and isn't getting the same production as before. It wouldn't have been the issue with a guy after one year. That's more of a "we've made a huge mistake" move.
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