Sammy Sofa wrote: Bertz wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
I guess that's the FO business mantra: something has gotta be god awful for years before it can be good. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.
Seriously, it cannot be understated how catastrophically bad they botched developing pitchers (literally ANY pitcher) for years.
Let's say you're right (you're not, you're grossly exaggerating things, but w/e), is that worth catapulting him out of town?
Yes. Not developing a single pitcher of any real worth is really, really bad, and a massively critical aspect of running a damn farm system. To shrug that off like it's NBD is pretty damn funny, and to say, right now, that the "pitching ship has been mostly righted" is even funnier.
Would you really rather have had a worse farm director if they had a better balance between hitting and pitching? Or is this some sort of "we should be the best at everything dammit" temper tantrum?
So the options were only McLeod or someone worse? Well, gee, when you put it like that....
In net terms, the Cubs have had fantastic contributions from the farm the last 8 years. So yeah, the choice is basically would you have rather had McLeod or someone worse. Unless you think we could have stolen whoever ran drafts/IFAs for the Dodgers or one of the 2-3 teams who had a better run than us without it being a pure matter of draft position.
Overall, on the pitching, TT really hit the nail on the head that the lack of investment is the primary driver there. In the first 3-4 years of McLeod's tenure, they invested real assets into 6 guys: Duane Underwood, Paul Blackburn. Pierce Johnson, Dylan Cease, Justin Steele, and Carson Sands. Those were the guys who were either a day one pick or got paid like one. They hit on Cease, and between Underwood and Steele will probably net another 7th inning guy. Going 1.5/6 sucks, but it's not some affront to pitching development. On the later rounds, we should acknowledge Zack Godley as a success, but yes you'd also expect an additional Kyle Ryan type or three by now.
Canning McLeod because of two missing Kyle Ryans and not getting a mid-rotation starter out of the Underwood/Johnson/Blackburn trio is horsefeathering moronic. His track record with bats is INCREDIBLE, and dumping him because of some histrionic "where's the pitching" tantrum is the very definition of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
And even if this argument wasn't dumb, the fact is that the problem has largely been resolved over the last 3-4 years. Ironically, the two high picks in 2017 look to be busts, but they've kind of been killing it in the middle and late rounds. The pitching in the system is very healthy, to the point that every level has 3-4 real prospects in the rotation and a few guys in each pen who you don't have to squint too hard to see as major leaguers. It's not the Padres or the Braves, but considering the assets expended to get there (as a playoff team we've been picking late in each round plus losing draft picks from FAs) it's not all that dissimilar.