Sammy Sofa wrote:Enough with the "oh, you just don't get it, man" horse horsefeathers; I'm not going out on a limb by being critical of how badly their pitching development has gone. It's opinions like yours that are flying in the wind of the overwhelming consensus that the Cubs botched this side of things, and for a prolonged period. You keep trying to make it sound like I'm being unreasonable wanting their pitching development to be better than TERRIBLE, which is ridiculous. This org doesn't live and die by Jason McLeod, and this FO should be smart enough to figure out how to develop players under someone else's watch, or if they can't stand parting with him then put this critical part of things under the care of someone else. They can't afford for things to just be maybe looking up at this point; having laid a damn goose egg with the pitching is going to make it more likely that the window smashes shut.
Show me where I did this. Nowhere did I say that the team was anything less than bad at pitching for the first ~half of McLeod's tenure. I've been consistent in three things both today and when this same argument came up in the minors forum over the summer:
1. The vast majority of resources were poured into bats.
An average FO probably gets another 2-3 relievers and 1-2 SPs out of the resources they did allocate. That's a failure, but that's roughly the magnitude of failure we're talking about
2. Being as amazing as he was at drafting bats FAR outweighed how bad he was at pitching. McLeod's comparative advantage at bats led to far more surplus value than the "2-3 relievers and 1-2 SPs" his comparative disadvantage at pitchers cost. There's the core from the last few years, plus Soler, Gleyber, Eloy, Candelario, Paredes (a top 100 guy now), Bote. Caratini was acquired as an A-baller for James Russell, they get at least half credit on him. Nico, Davis, and Amaya are likely consensus top 100 guys currently. Seriously, McLeod's essentially averaged two Top 100 caliber guys per year, one foreign and one domestic, through his entire Cubs tenure. That is an INSANE rate of hits, and miles above what you'd consider the benchmark or expected value
3. Regardless of whether you agree on the first two points, the pitching problems were fixed literally years ago. The pitching improvement is not just speculative or on the upswing but it is good right now:
I know you don't follow this stuff that closely but every rotation there except Eugene has at least three very legitimate prospects (and Eugene is meant to be staffed ~50% by college draftees anyway).