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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby The Logan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:20 am

The Logan wrote:I still long for the donging leviathan Javy we were expecting when he was in the minors, but this iteration of Javy is much more fun... And sustainable. Maybe this early power surge is him finally applying that power to the game he's developed. Probably not, but it'd be pretty nice.


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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby mul21 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:44 am

That's a terrific play to just field the ball, but the most impressive thing to me is the perfect footwork (and how quick it is) to get back to his feet and be in a position to unleash the bullet throw that's so damn accurate.
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby Stu » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:32 pm

Look how similar Baez looks to Arenado so far this year:

Arenado: 4.5 WAR .306/.389/.588/.977 OPS
124 Hits, 29 HR, 81 RBI, 2 SB

Javy: 4.8 WAR .302/.335/.594/.929 OPS
124 Hits, 25 HR, 88 RBI, 19 SB
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:59 pm

Javy leads the NL in SLG at .594. This is the highest SLG% (qualified) for a Cub since Lee had a ridiculous .662 SLG in 2005. The next closest was Lee's .579 in 2009. Insane.
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Postby Banedon » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:15 pm

I feel like the Baez MVP conversation is still relatively local though. I haven't seen him get much consideration from national or out of town writers.
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Postby NotSoSober » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:23 pm

Banedon wrote:I feel like the Baez MVP conversation is still relatively local though. I haven't seen him get much consideration from national or out of town writers.

Lots of dudes on the MLBN are on the Javy train.
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Postby bcl412 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:43 pm

He hits. He plays defense. He can run the bases. He should at least be considered
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Postby The_Achiever » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:56 pm

I know RBIs are dumb but I still want Javy to get like 130 of them. He's really becoming Manny-esque at the plate.
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:29 pm

Banedon wrote:I feel like the Baez MVP conversation is still relatively local though. I haven't seen him get much consideration from national or out of town writers.


Yeah...cant remember where but last weekend I saw an article about NL MVP Candidates and there were 5 names listed and Javy wasnt one of them. It was like Carpenter, Adenado, Freeman, Cain and someone else.
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby David » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:35 pm

The_Achiever wrote:I know RBIs are dumb but I still want Javy to get like 130 of them. He's really becoming Manny-esque at the plate.


Manny Ramirez had a 14% career walk rate.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:42 pm

David wrote:
The_Achiever wrote:I know RBIs are dumb but I still want Javy to get like 130 of them. He's really becoming Manny-esque at the plate.


Manny Ramirez had a 14% career walk rate.

Yeah. I love Javy but Manny's a top ~20 hitter of all time. Him being Manny-esque at the plate would likely put him in conversation for best player in MLB every year.
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Postby David » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:16 pm

Banedon wrote:I feel like the Baez MVP conversation is still relatively local though. I haven't seen him get much consideration from national or out of town writers.

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Postby Banedon » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:21 pm

David wrote:
Banedon wrote:I feel like the Baez MVP conversation is still relatively local though. I haven't seen him get much consideration from national or out of town writers.



The best part of that is all the replies crying that Carpenter isn't included.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:58 pm

The_Achiever wrote:I know RBIs are dumb but I still want Javy to get like 130 of them. He's really becoming Manny-esque at the plate.
RBIs aren't dumb. Comparing players based on them is.

I want my middle order hitters to rack up 120ish RBIs.
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Postby The Logan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:41 pm

You know, this cringe-worthy concept just popped in my head and I thought "I hope no one on the internet has done this".

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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:43 pm

If you just told me a Cubs site did a 'Javy be good' video I would've bet a million dollars on BCB, way to stay on brand.
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Postby chopsx9 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:24 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:
The_Achiever wrote:I know RBIs are dumb but I still want Javy to get like 130 of them. He's really becoming Manny-esque at the plate.
RBIs aren't dumb. Comparing players based on them is.

I want my middle order hitters to rack up 120ish RBIs.


I believe the whole "RBI's are dumb" is a mantra that's way overdone. Like virtually any other stat it just needs to be examined in the proper context. Looking at any stat in isolation is a recipe for mis-evaluation.
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Postby The_Achiever » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:29 pm

David wrote:
The_Achiever wrote:I know RBIs are dumb but I still want Javy to get like 130 of them. He's really becoming Manny-esque at the plate.


Manny Ramirez had a 14% career walk rate.


Yeah, Manny isn't the best comp but Joe uses it and was just being lazy. I was always worried about his bust potential as a hitter but he's really become a force.
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Postby treebird » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:35 pm

chopsx9 wrote:
We Got The Whole 9 wrote:
The_Achiever wrote:I know RBIs are dumb but I still want Javy to get like 130 of them. He's really becoming Manny-esque at the plate.
RBIs aren't dumb. Comparing players based on them is.

I want my middle order hitters to rack up 120ish RBIs.


I believe the whole "RBI's are dumb" is a mantra that's way overdone. Like virtually any other stat it just needs to be examined in the proper context. Looking at any stat in isolation is a recipe for mis-evaluation.


the only context in which rbis matter is one in which you remove rbis and look at other stats instead
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:40 pm

The_Achiever wrote:Yeah, Manny isn't the best comp but Joe uses it and was just being lazy.


JOE MADDON SAID SOME STRAIGHT NONSENSE ABOUT A PLAYER HE SHOULD REALLY HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF BECAUSE IT'S KINDA LIKE HIS JOB OR SOMETHING WHAT NO WAY GET OUT OF TOWN I DON'T BELIEVE IT
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Postby The_Achiever » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:45 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
The_Achiever wrote:Yeah, Manny isn't the best comp but Joe uses it and was just being lazy.


JOE MADDON SAID SOME STRAIGHT NONSENSE ABOUT A PLAYER HE SHOULD REALLY HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF BECAUSE IT'S KINDA LIKE HIS JOB OR SOMETHING WHAT NO WAY GET OUT OF TOWN I DON'T BELIEVE IT


Haha yeah. Maybe it's Joe's way of saying, "here's a hitter your should be trying to emulate, Javy."

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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:45 pm

what was the matter with maddon using the manny comp? He said if he ever laid off the slider low and away, meaning if he ever learned patience. It's obviously never going to happen but what the hell is wrong with making those comments about your player? Javy isn't exactly a guy who wilts under pressure.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:03 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:what was the matter with maddon using the manny comp? He said if he ever laid off the slider low and away, meaning if he ever learned patience. It's obviously never going to happen but what the hell is wrong with making those comments about your player? Javy isn't exactly a guy who wilts under pressure.


I don't think anyone's worried about pressure; I just think it's funny in a, "y'know, that apple would be a really great apple if it was actually an orange," sort of way.
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby Duke Silver » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:08 pm

By both bWAR and fWAR, Javy is on pace to have what would be a better season than all but one of Manny's seasons.
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Postby Duke Silver » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:11 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:what was the matter with maddon using the manny comp? He said if he ever laid off the slider low and away, meaning if he ever learned patience. It's obviously never going to happen but what the hell is wrong with making those comments about your player? Javy isn't exactly a guy who wilts under pressure.


I don't think anyone's worried about pressure; I just think it's funny in a, "y'know, that apple would be a really great apple if it was actually an orange," sort of way.


Yeah, it's a strange comparison because of how different they are. I think Joe (maybe?) mostly means he reminds him of Manny because of his bat speed or how the ball jumps off his bat or something -- just something about him and how he plays or swings or hits the ball or whatever.

But that also doesn't fall in with the "laying off sliders" part, because that wouldn't even matter in such a comparison. So I don't know. I've always been confused by it.
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