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Postby Banedon » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:11 pm

Derwood wrote:Baez has declined an invite to the HR derby


To rest his heel which I'm 1000% in favor of.
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This is page 69 in the Javier Baez thread.

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Postby chopsx9 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:29 pm

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Name all the players who started doing new things several years into their major league career? A handful of pitchers work on a new pitch, but I can’t name any player who has converted to a switch hitter at age 27.

Rich Ankiel and Brooks Kieschnick say "Yo". Kieschnick was a 1st ballot HoFer though Ankiel did have to wait until his 3rd year of eligibility.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:55 pm

having Javy makes up for dealing with the Ricketts
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Postby mul21 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:18 pm

That was such a good play by all 3 guys. The stop and flip by Javy, the bare hand grab and turn by Russell, and the pick out of the dirt by Rizzo.
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Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:24 pm

I mean, I get Javy doesn't walk much, but it's not great that he hasn't drawn a walk since June 25, right?
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Postby stitchface » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:05 pm

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I mean, I get Javy doesn't walk much, but it's not great that he hasn't drawn a walk since June 25, right?



happy now? I guess I look at production rather than hasn't taken a walk or hasn't hit a home run in so many days. His obp leaves something to be desired but he is generally productive.
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Postby itisallpartoftheplan » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:32 pm

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Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I mean, I get Javy doesn't walk much, but it's not great that he hasn't drawn a walk since June 25, right?



happy now? I guess I look at production rather than hasn't taken a walk or hasn't hit a home run in so many days. His obp leaves something to be desired but he is generally productive.


Everyone should be happy when Javy takes a walk. If he wants to be aggressive that’s fine, but he chases tons of pitches in full counts that he has no shot at.

Edit: he actually does decent as a hitter with a full count.
.267/.389/.622 but he still chases crazy pitches in that count.

Wanting his to take his free passes a little more isn’t a bad thing.
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:12 pm

Reporter: "Javy, Nick had some nice things to say about you. He mentioned playing with you in the 2012 Arizona Fall League. What do you recall about playing with him?"
Javy: <blankstare> "Who?"
Reporter: "Nick Castellanos....."
Javy: <thinking> "Ohhhh, you mean number 6? The new guy?"
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Postby BigSlick » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:57 pm

Baez will never be a patient hitter, and I’ve been convinced he really shouldn’t try to be (some hitters are just who they are and they should lean into that and not try to be what they aren’t), but he’s at least not getting himself out like he did when he came up.

It would be nice if he could pair his enormous power with some more walks, but I’ll take him as he is
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Postby Tryptamine » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:26 pm

BigSlick wrote:Baez will never be a patient hitter, and I’ve been convinced he really shouldn’t try to be (some hitters are just who they are and they should lean into that and not try to be what they aren’t), but he’s at least not getting himself out like he did when he came up.

It would be nice if he could pair his enormous power with some more walks, but I’ll take him as he is


I'll agree with this. The risk of making him change his approach may lead to a Starlin like downfall. Poor guy was never the same after they tried to get him to take more pitches and pull the ball more often.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:59 am

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Postby NewUserName » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:32 am

Tryptamine wrote:
BigSlick wrote:Baez will never be a patient hitter, and I’ve been convinced he really shouldn’t try to be (some hitters are just who they are and they should lean into that and not try to be what they aren’t), but he’s at least not getting himself out like he did when he came up.

It would be nice if he could pair his enormous power with some more walks, but I’ll take him as he is


I'll agree with this. The risk of making him change his approach may lead to a Starlin like downfall. Poor guy was never the same after they tried to get him to take more pitches and pull the ball more often.

Corey Patterson

MLB has a history of very good players who were not patient hitters. I think this is a case where Sabermetrics has made some things more complicated than they should be. Bobby Grich was undervalued because patience was not valued highly as his time. Jim Rice was probably over valued, but Jim Rice was still a very good hitter that added value to his team.
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby stitchface » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:32 pm

NewUserName wrote:
Tryptamine wrote:
BigSlick wrote:Baez will never be a patient hitter, and I’ve been convinced he really shouldn’t try to be (some hitters are just who they are and they should lean into that and not try to be what they aren’t), but he’s at least not getting himself out like he did when he came up.

It would be nice if he could pair his enormous power with some more walks, but I’ll take him as he is


I'll agree with this. The risk of making him change his approach may lead to a Starlin like downfall. Poor guy was never the same after they tried to get him to take more pitches and pull the ball more often.

Corey Patterson

MLB has a history of very good players who were not patient hitters. I think this is a case where Sabermetrics has made some things more complicated than they should be. Bobby Grich was undervalued because patience was not valued highly as his time. Jim Rice was probably over valued, but Jim Rice was still a very good hitter that added value to his team.


I think its misunderstanding of sabermetrics or over-simplifying rather than complicating. Walks are great but it's really not making an out that is important. If you have a choice between a player with a .400 obp and a .390 batting average or a player with a .400 obp and a .290 batting average, you take the former. The only reason to care if Javy takes a walk or not is his lack of strike zone judgment is impacting his out percentage and slugging percentage. Hard to know if that is true or not - if he walked more often, would his obp go up substantially? What about his slugging percentage?

Calculated runs is actually very simple runs (per inning)=plate appearances-LOB-3 - you increase plate appearances by not making outs. You decrease LOB by hitting for power and baserunning.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:42 pm

stitchface wrote: If you have a choice between a player with a .400 obp and a .390 batting average or a player with a .400 obp and a .290 batting average, you take the former. The only reason to care if Javy takes a walk or not is his lack of strike zone judgment is impacting his out percentage and slugging percentage.

Can you explain how the infield fly rule works to everyone here, too?
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Jeez, who horsefeathers in your cereal?
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Sammy Sofa wrote:Jeez, who horsefeathers in your cereal?

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Postby stitchface » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:00 pm

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
stitchface wrote: If you have a choice between a player with a .400 obp and a .390 batting average or a player with a .400 obp and a .290 batting average, you take the former. The only reason to care if Javy takes a walk or not is his lack of strike zone judgment is impacting his out percentage and slugging percentage.

Can you explain how the infield fly rule works to everyone here, too?



the infield fly rule is idiotic and should be abolished. why do you get punished for grounding into a double play but you are protecting from hitting a weak pop-up? Stupid rule.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:30 pm

stitchface wrote:
JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
stitchface wrote: If you have a choice between a player with a .400 obp and a .390 batting average or a player with a .400 obp and a .290 batting average, you take the former. The only reason to care if Javy takes a walk or not is his lack of strike zone judgment is impacting his out percentage and slugging percentage.

Can you explain how the infield fly rule works to everyone here, too?



the infield fly rule is idiotic and should be abolished. why do you get punished for grounding into a double play but you are protecting from hitting a weak pop-up? Stupid rule.

Heh, I kind of agree with you, but there are also triple play considerations...which depending on your outlook, are a reason against or for the IFR.
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