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Postby Regular Show » Thu May 02, 2019 8:54 pm

David wrote:Is drafting Javy the single best thing Hendry did in his entire tenure?


Okay, I know Hendry gets credit for "drafting" Javy under his watch just before he got fired, but I seriously doubt he did anything special or got highly involved. Hendry tries to brush off the Hayden Simpson debacle in the 2010 draft by saying he let his scouting director choose who he wanted. Christian Yelich was selected seven picks later at #23 by the Marlins. There was lots of good talent available. If Hendry tries to deflect criticism for the Hayden selection then he also doesn't deserve credit for drafting Javy. I'm trying to find the article or the quote, but I remember Hendry saying he basically let his scouting director do whatever he wanted (within the draft budget) under his tenure.

I think all the credit (or most of the credit) goes to the previous scouting director Tim Wilken. He liked Javy Baez over Francisco Lindor and was super high on Baez. Hendry just went along with the selection and doesn't deserve that much credit IMO.
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby Derwood » Thu May 02, 2019 9:30 pm

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minnesotacubsfan wrote:he's on track to hit like 57 hrs and 136 rbis so I'm going to go ahead and book him as MVP


i need to introduce you to cody bellinger (or yelich for that matter - at least until he plays more road games)


I think if a shortstop hits 56 and 136, it will make almost no difference what any other player does when it comes to MVP balloting.


He’ll be a second baseman as soon as Russell comes back (ugh)
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby David » Thu May 02, 2019 9:44 pm

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i need to introduce you to cody bellinger (or yelich for that matter - at least until he plays more road games)


I think if a shortstop hits 56 and 136, it will make almost no difference what any other player does when it comes to MVP balloting.


He’ll be a second baseman as soon as Russell comes back (ugh)


no it does not appear that way anymore
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby Derwood » Thu May 02, 2019 9:54 pm

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I think if a shortstop hits 56 and 136, it will make almost no difference what any other player does when it comes to MVP balloting.


He’ll be a second baseman as soon as Russell comes back (ugh)


no it does not appear that way anymore


I don’t trust this front office to do the right thing until Russell is off the team. I don’t believe for a second that they’re going to stash him in Iowa all season
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby David » Thu May 02, 2019 10:00 pm

Derwood wrote:
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He’ll be a second baseman as soon as Russell comes back (ugh)


no it does not appear that way anymore


I don’t trust this front office to do the right thing until Russell is off the team. I don’t believe for a second that they’re going to stash him in Iowa all season


I'm saying it looks like they will not be moving Javy off of SS.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu May 02, 2019 10:00 pm

Derwood wrote:
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He’ll be a second baseman as soon as Russell comes back (ugh)


no it does not appear that way anymore


I don’t trust this front office to do the right thing until Russell is off the team. I don’t believe for a second that they’re going to stash him in Iowa all season

While I agree we can’t take what they say as gospel... Theo and others have made it sound like, when asked recently, that Russell isn’t the everyday SS if/when he’s back. He’s playing 2B in Iowa a decent amount, I doubt they’d be having him do that if Javy wasn’t going to stay at SS a good chunk of the time.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Wed May 08, 2019 9:24 am

Javy had a great year last year when he knocked out 83 XBH, one in every 7.7 PA

This year he has 24, one in every 6.2
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Postby BigSlick » Wed May 08, 2019 5:20 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:Javy had a great year last year when he knocked out 83 XBH, one in every 7.7 PA

This year he has 24, one in every 6.2

Is that good?
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Postby Regular Show » Fri May 10, 2019 12:59 am

For anyone that missed it in the game thread:

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Postby Backtobanks » Fri May 10, 2019 12:07 pm

Regular Show wrote:
David wrote:Is drafting Javy the single best thing Hendry did in his entire tenure?


Okay, I know Hendry gets credit for "drafting" Javy under his watch just before he got fired, but I seriously doubt he did anything special or got highly involved. Hendry tries to brush off the Hayden Simpson debacle in the 2010 draft by saying he let his scouting director choose who he wanted. Christian Yelich was selected seven picks later at #23 by the Marlins. There was lots of good talent available. If Hendry tries to deflect criticism for the Hayden selection then he also doesn't deserve credit for drafting Javy. I'm trying to find the article or the quote, but I remember Hendry saying he basically let his scouting director do whatever he wanted (within the draft budget) under his tenure.

I think all the credit (or most of the credit) goes to the previous scouting director Tim Wilken. He liked Javy Baez over Francisco Lindor and was super high on Baez. Hendry just went along with the selection and doesn't deserve that much credit IMO.


That's your opinion, but Hendry drafted Baez and Contreras.
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Re: Baez impresses Baez

Postby Regular Show » Fri May 10, 2019 12:28 pm

Backtobanks wrote:
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David wrote:Is drafting Javy the single best thing Hendry did in his entire tenure?


Okay, I know Hendry gets credit for "drafting" Javy under his watch just before he got fired, but I seriously doubt he did anything special or got highly involved. Hendry tries to brush off the Hayden Simpson debacle in the 2010 draft by saying he let his scouting director choose who he wanted. Christian Yelich was selected seven picks later at #23 by the Marlins. There was lots of good talent available. If Hendry tries to deflect criticism for the Hayden selection then he also doesn't deserve credit for drafting Javy. I'm trying to find the article or the quote, but I remember Hendry saying he basically let his scouting director do whatever he wanted (within the draft budget) under his tenure.

I think all the credit (or most of the credit) goes to the previous scouting director Tim Wilken. He liked Javy Baez over Francisco Lindor and was super high on Baez. Hendry just went along with the selection and doesn't deserve that much credit IMO.


That's your opinion, but Hendry drafted Baez and Contreras.


Found it:

That quote in the tweet is very illuminating.

Also, Jim Hendry didn't "draft" Willson Contreras -- you sign young players from DR and Venezuela as FAs. Sure, he drafted Baez and signed Contreras, but he doesn't deserve that much credit in my opinion knowing what we know about Jim Hendry.

Man, I really don't want to discuss this further and have this devolve into another weird "Jeromy Burnitz vs. Kyle Schwarber"-like tangent. No thanks, I'm done.
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I wish I hadn't looked at that. People really suck.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri May 10, 2019 1:44 pm

Boy it's SO WEIRD that the people most loudly and obnoxiously complaining about the ban tend to have all kinds of troll/Pepe/MAGA/"America first"/nationalist/racial-type horsefeathers all over their Twitter feeds and profiles. WHAT AN ODD COINCIDENCE.
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Postby Thed Hoyerstein » Fri May 10, 2019 1:52 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Boy it's SO WEIRD that the people most loudly and obnoxiously complaining about the ban tend to have all kinds of troll/Pepe/MAGA/"America first"/nationalist/racial-type horsefeathers all over their Twitter feeds and profiles. WHAT AN ODD COINCIDENCE.


It's sadly pathetic that I'm shocked when they don't have that horsefeathers all over their twitter feed
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Postby NewUserName » Fri May 10, 2019 2:33 pm

Thed Hoyerstein wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Boy it's SO WEIRD that the people most loudly and obnoxiously complaining about the ban tend to have all kinds of troll/Pepe/MAGA/"America first"/nationalist/racial-type horsefeathers all over their Twitter feeds and profiles. WHAT AN ODD COINCIDENCE.


It's sadly pathetic that I'm shocked when they don't have that horsefeathers all over their twitter feed


I fully expect them to be attending games regularly playing the 'Circle Game' in some sort of stick it to those snowflake liberals move
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri May 10, 2019 2:45 pm

I waded into a reddit /Cubs circle game appologist thread. The upvoters, at least, don't seem to be buying it. Trolling has its limits.
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Postby Backtobanks » Fri May 10, 2019 4:53 pm

Regular Show wrote:
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Okay, I know Hendry gets credit for "drafting" Javy under his watch just before he got fired, but I seriously doubt he did anything special or got highly involved. Hendry tries to brush off the Hayden Simpson debacle in the 2010 draft by saying he let his scouting director choose who he wanted. Christian Yelich was selected seven picks later at #23 by the Marlins. There was lots of good talent available. If Hendry tries to deflect criticism for the Hayden selection then he also doesn't deserve credit for drafting Javy. I'm trying to find the article or the quote, but I remember Hendry saying he basically let his scouting director do whatever he wanted (within the draft budget) under his tenure.

I think all the credit (or most of the credit) goes to the previous scouting director Tim Wilken. He liked Javy Baez over Francisco Lindor and was super high on Baez. Hendry just went along with the selection and doesn't deserve that much credit IMO.


That's your opinion, but Hendry drafted Baez and Contreras.


Found it:

That quote in the tweet is very illuminating.

Also, Jim Hendry didn't "draft" Willson Contreras -- you sign young players from DR and Venezuela as FAs. Sure, he drafted Baez and signed Contreras, but he doesn't deserve that much credit in my opinion knowing what we know about Jim Hendry.

Man, I really don't want to discuss this further and have this devolve into another weird "Jeromy Burnitz vs. Kyle Schwarber"-like tangent. No thanks, I'm done.



You keep denying facts with the disclaimer "in my opinion". As I said before, you're welcome to your opinion but that doesn't make it a fact.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri May 10, 2019 4:56 pm

Backtobanks wrote:You keep denying facts with the disclaimer "in my opinion". As I said before, you're welcome to your opinion but that doesn't make it a fact.


It's a damn shame you can't somehow be fined for making an argument THIS terrible.
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Postby squally1313 » Fri May 10, 2019 5:15 pm

So, B2B, since I can't quit you apparently, is it your opinion that Hendry drafted Willson Contreras, or is it a fact that Hendry drafted Willson Contreras? Just want to make sure we all understand you.
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Postby Backtobanks » Fri May 10, 2019 6:37 pm

squally1313 wrote:So, B2B, since I can't quit you apparently, is it your opinion that Hendry drafted Willson Contreras, or is it a fact that Hendry drafted Willson Contreras? Just want to make sure we all understand you.



You want to argue semantics when you're busy throwing your opinion around. The FACT is that Baez and Contreras were brought to the Cubs' organization under Jim Hendry's tenure. Just because "it's your opinion" that Hendry doesn't deserve credit for anything good is your problem.
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