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Postby Derwood » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:21 pm

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i'd honestly rather go to the dentist than watch either of the sports where they quickly go back and forth 8000 times and score once every two hours


Soccer and ??????


Surely you're not suggesting that ice hockey has the same pace of play as soccer. SURELY


it's even more irritatingly fast paced and low scoring


Nah. I'll take 30 shots on goal in a 60 minute game over 5 shots on goal in a 90 minute game (on a playing field 4x the size)
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David wrote:
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i'd honestly rather go to the dentist than watch either of the sports where they quickly go back and forth 8000 times and score once every two hours


Soccer and ??????


Surely you're not suggesting that ice hockey has the same pace of play as soccer. SURELY


it's even more irritatingly fast paced and low scoring


Shouldn't you be trying to figure how to not give up over a run per inning when you're on the mound for the Reds?
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Postby David » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:34 pm

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David wrote:
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Soccer and ??????


Surely you're not suggesting that ice hockey has the same pace of play as soccer. SURELY


it's even more irritatingly fast paced and low scoring


Shouldn't you be trying to figure how to not give up over a run per inning when you're on the mound for the Reds?


nah i'm just cashin checks
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:44 pm

David wrote:
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i'd honestly rather go to the dentist than watch either of the sports where they quickly go back and forth 8000 times and score once every two hours


Soccer and ??????


Surely you're not suggesting that ice hockey has the same pace of play as soccer. SURELY


it's even more irritatingly fast paced and low scoring

This is a really weird take from a baseball fan of all people — the sport everyone who doesn’t understand the intricacies calls “boring”. Do you also hate pitchers duels? The beauty is in the nuance.
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Postby David » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:50 pm

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Derwood wrote:
Soccer and ??????


Surely you're not suggesting that ice hockey has the same pace of play as soccer. SURELY


it's even more irritatingly fast paced and low scoring

This is a really weird take from a baseball fan of all people — the sport everyone who doesn’t understand the intricacies calls “boring”. Do you also hate pitchers duels? The beauty is in the nuance.


hockey is trash. soccer is too. horsefeathers nuance.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:50 pm

Until hilariously wearing gigantic shorts on top of pants is lamer than hilariously wearing a belt with a baseball uniform, then the winner will always be obvious. Hockey makes every player look like Kevin Smith.
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Postby stitchface » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:46 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
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Nothing is worse than hockey

football?



football is really fun to play - because no one plays with idiotic things like the offensive linemen can't twitch . . . watching football on tv is akin to watching 3.5 hours of commercials with about 10 minutes of action.
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Postby Bull » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:22 pm

In summary: baseball is awesome. Everything else ranged from not awesome to not tolerable.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:49 am

stitchface wrote:
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football?



football is really fun to play - because no one plays with idiotic things like the offensive linemen can't twitch . . . watching football on tv is akin to watching 3.5 hours of commercials with about 10 minutes of action.


says someone who's never put on the pads and spent time in the trenches. Football is hell to play. Getting rapped by a white cross sniffing 240 lb monster on a guard pull/blitz special is akin to being hit by a 1969 Chrysler Imperial when you are 6 years old. Don't challenge me on that one, I've done both.

but I love watching it.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:02 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
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jersey cubs fan wrote:football?



football is really fun to play - because no one plays with idiotic things like the offensive linemen can't twitch . . . watching football on tv is akin to watching 3.5 hours of commercials with about 10 minutes of action.


says someone who's never put on the pads and spent time in the trenches. Football is hell to play. Getting rapped by a white cross sniffing 240 lb monster on a guard pull/blitz special is akin to being hit by a 1969 Chrysler Imperial when you are 6 years old. Don't challenge me on that one, I've done both.

but I love watching it.

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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:28 am

My reputation on this board may in fact expose my past a bit: in high school, i played on some terrible teams because we were small physically, talent wise, AND in the size of the actual school. But I was 5-9 and 190 lbs and could bench 325 lbs.

I took a hella beating, but I could dish a few out as well.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:28 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:My reputation on this board may in fact expose my past a bit: in high school, i played on some terrible teams because we were small physically, talent wise, AND in the size of the actual school. But I was 5-9 and 190 lbs and could bench 325 lbs.

I took a hella beating, but I could dish a few out as well.

Yeah, well, I was 6'1 and weighed 125 pounds and I prob could only bench around 150 but I played DT because everyone is a wuss and no one knows how to stop an arm drag, it seems. And also, High School football coaches are morons.
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Postby philosophizer75 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:15 pm

Hah in high school I was that 250lb guard pulling on the traps and messing up the DT who thought he had a clear path to the ball carrier. I loved playing football and love watching it too.

I only played football so I lifted all year long to go with it. By junior year I was 5'8", 250, benching 325 and squatting 605. In a league/tier where it was common to face DT's about half my weight. We didn't feel much resistance until the postseason my last two years.
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philosophizer75 wrote:Hah in high school I was that 250lb guard pulling on the traps and messing up the DT who thought he had a clear path to the ball carrier. I loved playing football and love watching it too.

I only played football so I lifted all year long to go with it. By junior year I was 5'8", 250, benching 325 and squatting 605. In a league/tier where it was common to face DT's about half my weight. We didn't feel much resistance until the postseason my last two years.



I free-squatted 740+. What the actual weight was is lost to time. But believe me, I wasn’t all conf because of our record. And I surely wouldn’t fear you.
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Postby philosophizer75 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:10 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
philosophizer75 wrote:Hah in high school I was that 250lb guard pulling on the traps and messing up the DT who thought he had a clear path to the ball carrier. I loved playing football and love watching it too.

I only played football so I lifted all year long to go with it. By junior year I was 5'8", 250, benching 325 and squatting 605. In a league/tier where it was common to face DT's about half my weight. We didn't feel much resistance until the postseason my last two years.



I free-squatted 740+. What the actual weight was is lost to time. But believe me, I wasn’t all conf because of our record. And I surely wouldn’t fear you.


Ah, a fellow football player <3

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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:57 pm

Lol at you goofballs.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:52 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Until hilariously wearing gigantic shorts on top of pants is lamer than hilariously wearing a belt with a baseball uniform, then the winner will always be obvious. Hockey makes every player look like Kevin Smith.


You don't wear pants under the hockey shorts. The bottom of your legs are covered by extra long socks that go over your shin pads and are held up with tape.

I'll leave it up to you to decide if that's better or worse.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:55 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:Until hilariously wearing gigantic shorts on top of pants is lamer than hilariously wearing a belt with a baseball uniform, then the winner will always be obvious. Hockey makes every player look like Kevin Smith.


You don't wear pants under the hockey shorts. The bottom of your legs are covered by extra long socks that go over your shin pads and are held up with tape.

I'll leave it up to you to decide if that's better or worse.


So, what you're saying is...

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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:58 pm

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i'd honestly rather go to the dentist than watch either of the sports where they quickly go back and forth 8000 times and score once every two hours


In terms of minutes you're sitting there watching it, soccer goals happen about the same frequency as touchdowns.
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i'd honestly rather go to the dentist than watch either of the sports where they quickly go back and forth 8000 times and score once every two hours


In terms of minutes you're sitting there watching it, soccer goals happen about the same frequency as touchdowns.

while this may be true, literally nothing about this post is going to convince someone like myself to watch soccer.

i don't outwardly hate on the sport, but i just don't like it. and that's ok.

in regards to the "in terms of minutes" part, though, that seems a little lackadaisical in describing the action. Football is a sport that importance is dictated by field position. 3rd and 10 from a team's own 15 isn't going to require the same attention/anticipation as 1st and goal. Not all snaps are equal based on score, field position, time remaining, etc. In soccer, (in my extremely self admitting uneducated opinion) it's pretty much just "try to stop a goal" vs. "try to score a goal". There's just less nuance (as far as I can tell - I rarely watch it).
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i'd honestly rather go to the dentist than watch either of the sports where they quickly go back and forth 8000 times and score once every two hours


In terms of minutes you're sitting there watching it, soccer goals happen about the same frequency as touchdowns.

while this may be true, literally nothing about this post is going to convince someone like myself to watch soccer.

i don't outwardly hate on the sport, but i just don't like it. and that's ok.

in regards to the "in terms of minutes" part, though, that seems a little lackadaisical in describing the action. Football is a sport that importance is dictated by field position. 3rd and 10 from a team's own 15 isn't going to require the same attention/anticipation as 1st and goal. Not all snaps are equal based on score, field position, time remaining, etc. In soccer, (in my extremely self admitting uneducated opinion) it's pretty much just "try to stop a goal" vs. "try to score a goal". There's just less nuance (as far as I can tell - I rarely watch it).


First things first, people should like or not like what they want. Personally, I can't get into hockey outside of playoff overtimes, when I watch it seems like the goals are too much a function of what I'll call randomness, scraps in front of goal and aiming harder shots in the direction of the goal that a deflection or screen helps it through. I'm sure there's more to the planning than that, but I can't escape the feeling that teams have a lot less control in their scoring than I'd like to see.

That said, if you are interested or curious, one of the things that helped with my enjoyment of soccer was to see the play on the field as most similar to basketball. Without the ball, teams have the option to press high up the field to try to create dangerous turnovers, give up a lot of space to stay compact and avoid the opponent getting close to goal, and (this is where the analogy breaks down a bit) they can also stay deep to try to lure the other team with the ball forward and then attack via a fast break of sorts when they get it back. With the ball, there's a lot of choreographed movement without the absolute structure of say, Football plays, players move without the ball to help create space for others and moving the ball around helps create opportunities. In other words, if you really like Xs and Os stuff in other sports, there's plenty of that in soccer too, but it also has baseball's slow burn as a viewing experience so it's not gonna have universal appeal.
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Postby bcl412 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:22 pm

I like the tension and slow build towards a thing slower paced low scoring sports can provide but I also like basketball a lot too so I don’t know
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:07 pm

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In terms of minutes you're sitting there watching it, soccer goals happen about the same frequency as touchdowns.

while this may be true, literally nothing about this post is going to convince someone like myself to watch soccer.

i don't outwardly hate on the sport, but i just don't like it. and that's ok.

in regards to the "in terms of minutes" part, though, that seems a little lackadaisical in describing the action. Football is a sport that importance is dictated by field position. 3rd and 10 from a team's own 15 isn't going to require the same attention/anticipation as 1st and goal. Not all snaps are equal based on score, field position, time remaining, etc. In soccer, (in my extremely self admitting uneducated opinion) it's pretty much just "try to stop a goal" vs. "try to score a goal". There's just less nuance (as far as I can tell - I rarely watch it).


First things first, people should like or not like what they want. Personally, I can't get into hockey outside of playoff overtimes, when I watch it seems like the goals are too much a function of what I'll call randomness, scraps in front of goal and aiming harder shots in the direction of the goal that a deflection or screen helps it through. I'm sure there's more to the planning than that, but I can't escape the feeling that teams have a lot less control in their scoring than I'd like to see.

That said, if you are interested or curious, one of the things that helped with my enjoyment of soccer was to see the play on the field as most similar to basketball. Without the ball, teams have the option to press high up the field to try to create dangerous turnovers, give up a lot of space to stay compact and avoid the opponent getting close to goal, and (this is where the analogy breaks down a bit) they can also stay deep to try to lure the other team with the ball forward and then attack via a fast break of sorts when they get it back. With the ball, there's a lot of choreographed movement without the absolute structure of say, Football plays, players move without the ball to help create space for others and moving the ball around helps create opportunities. In other words, if you really like Xs and Os stuff in other sports, there's plenty of that in soccer too, but it also has baseball's slow burn as a viewing experience so it's not gonna have universal appeal.


You’re not wrong about a lot of hockey goals being a product of luck. Some of them come from defensive breakdowns, but at the high levels the defenses are so solid that most of it is just trying to get as many shots as possible hoping for a lucky bounce or deflection.

But that’s not something a baseball fan should be complaining about. There are so many layers of randomness between “striking the ball well with the bat” and scoring runs that we have 162 game seasons and still talk about teams having significantly different records from what they deserved.
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Postby philosophizer75 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:50 pm

While a lot of the deflection goals in hockey are luck, there are also times where the [offensive zone] defensemen along the blue line will rifle shots that aren't even at the goal and their forwards angle their sticks to deflect the puck in a such a way so as to beat the goalie. Those goals impress the crap out of me.

A lot of goals in hockey are scrappy because even the low-tier NHL goalies (and the defensemen in front of them) stop more than 90% of the shots they see. You have to screen them with other players or scoop up rebounds to have a chance (unless you hit the corners of the goal perfectly or get a breakaway opportunity).
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