I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Mon May 02, 2016 7:38 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Well that's not fun. I mean, people are bringing it up because even if he only hits 15 or less, we're all fans of dongs and he is still sans dong at this moment, both for the season and as a Cub. We're rooting for him to bust that dong out.

But hey, what do we know? We're just a bunch of bitches, I guess.


Please don't take my use of bitches too harsh. I just like to say that. Bitches = dongs to me.

By all means, I would love to see him bust out that dong.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon May 02, 2016 7:57 pm

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I mean, when he's been pretty consistent in the dong department for most of his career except for that one year (which wasn't really that prodigious), I think it might be a bit much to say that it's not an unreasonable expectation. The reasonable expectation is that he will dong 10 to 13 times. Not 25 to 30. So it's odd that people are always bringing up J-Hey's dong like it's this big part of his game. It's not. Not even close.


Actually Heyward's averaged 14 HRs a season and 19 per 162 games.

Early season has him putting the ball in the air more often, which should be a good thing moving forward.


Well, yes, because it's jacked up by that one 27 homer season. In the past three seasons he has hit 14, 11 and 13. His other three seasons he's hit 18, 14, 27.

I'm thinking since he has hit 11 to 14 in four of his six seasons, that that is more likely where he is going to end up. But the dude has never been a "prodigious" home run hitter, and the focus on that part of his game like he suddenly is going to be one is odd to me. Sure, anything is possible. But the safer bet is that he hits 10 to 14. So, again, not sure why people constantly ask for a Heyward dong like he's Rizzo or Bryant. He's Zobrist. And nobody is constantly asking for Zobrist dongs.


Well, he's a lot younger than Zobrist and seemingly has the abilities/capability to dong a lot more than he typically does, plus 2013 and 2011 were shortened seasons for him. It's certainly not unreasonable to want/hope to see him become a true dongsmith.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon May 02, 2016 8:07 pm

Yeah, that near decade in age difference between Heyward and Zobrist means alot.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby BigSlick » Mon May 02, 2016 8:19 pm

The rapidly aging corpse of Ben Zobrist already has a dong, so yes, I don't think its unreasonable to expect Heyward to have a dong
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Mon May 02, 2016 8:26 pm

BigSlick wrote:The rapidly aging corpse of Ben Zobrist already has a dong, so yes, I don't think its unreasonable to expect Heyward to have a dong


Gawd I can't wait for him to dong so the requests to see a dong will be relaxed.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Mon May 02, 2016 8:28 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Yeah, that near decade in age difference between Heyward and Zobrist means alot.


I mean, I still wouldn't have expected so much dong requests from Zobrist at 26, either. Face it, Heyward isn't a big-time donger.

But I've said enough on this now. I have been the dong spoiler too much this afternoon. May we all see a bunch of dongs tonight.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon May 02, 2016 8:37 pm

Zobrist wasn't even starting at 26. He did have a stretch from 28-31 where he averaged nearly 20 HRs a year, including 27 at 28. I just don't buy that Heyward can't join the Legion of Dongs(?). Dongvengers? Its all there just kinda has to happen. Getting more balls into the air is step one, and we'll see what happens as the weather gets warmer. I'm thinking somewhere in the 18-25 range when its all said and done in 2016, setting up a monster age 27 season.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon May 02, 2016 9:47 pm

Heyward out the next 2 games per Joe
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Cubbie Swagger » Mon May 02, 2016 10:58 pm

Any chance this is temp related? I'm not sure where I could look up weather-related splits. All I know is he's played in the south his whole career.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon May 02, 2016 11:13 pm

Cubbie Swagger wrote:Any chance this is temp related? I'm not sure where I could look up weather-related splits. All I know is he's played in the south his whole career.


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Given the Cubs schedule to date, Home/Road splits are basically a proxy for game played below/above 60 degrees.

Heyward has a .279 OPS (yes, OPS) at Home and .771 on the Road thus far.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby itisallpartoftheplan » Tue May 03, 2016 7:06 am

I think the only 2 times I ever seen him dong live was off Big Z in his debut and off Arrieta in the playoffs. I want to cheer for a dong of his, please.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby UMFan83 » Tue May 03, 2016 1:37 pm

The wrist thing worries me a bit because my observation is that sometimes wrist injuries can last a long time and can zap a hitters power if it hurts enough.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby BigSlick » Tue May 03, 2016 4:49 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Heyward has a .279 OPS (yes, OPS) at Home and .771 on the Road thus far.


Whoa. He's like a reverse Bryant.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue May 03, 2016 5:05 pm

According to Jesse Rogers on twitter Heyward thought he was playing yesterday until Joe told him he wasn't. So the "injury" can't be too serious and it sounds like he could possibly play tonight.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby David » Tue May 03, 2016 5:14 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:According to Jesse Rogers on twitter Heyward thought he was playing yesterday until Joe told him he wasn't. So the "injury" can't be too serious and it sounds like he could possibly play tonight.


maddon says he's not playing tonight
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Andy » Tue May 03, 2016 5:41 pm

David wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:According to Jesse Rogers on twitter Heyward thought he was playing yesterday until Joe told him he wasn't. So the "injury" can't be too serious and it sounds like he could possibly play tonight.


maddon says he's not playing tonight

To piggyback on that, we're facing a lefty, he shouldn't play whether the wrist hurts or not.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue May 03, 2016 6:18 pm

Andy wrote:
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Cubswin11 wrote:According to Jesse Rogers on twitter Heyward thought he was playing yesterday until Joe told him he wasn't. So the "injury" can't be too serious and it sounds like he could possibly play tonight.


maddon says he's not playing tonight

To piggyback on that, we're facing a lefty, he shouldn't play whether the wrist hurts or not.

He has a near 1.000 OPS vs Niese in 31 PAs, so he should be playing against him if healthy. Also he's so good defensively he shouldn't be sitting, "because lefties." Sure if they want to give him an off day it would be preferable that it's a game against a LHP, but he should rarely be sitting if he's healthy.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue May 03, 2016 6:20 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
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maddon says he's not playing tonight

To piggyback on that, we're facing a lefty, he shouldn't play whether the wrist hurts or not.

He has a near 1.000 OPS vs Niese in 31 PAs, so he should be playing against him if healthy. Also he's so good defensively he shouldn't be sitting, "because lefties." Sure if they want to give him an off day it would be preferable that it's a game against a LHP, but he should rarely be sitting if he's healthy.


Yeah, it would be one thing if they were struggling for offense and had to desperately micro-manage the bats, but it would be nonsense to do that at this point. If he's healthy he's still plenty valuable even if he's not hitting.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue May 03, 2016 6:23 pm

Also the last 3 years vs LHP he's had OPS's of ~.700, ~.470, and ~.800 so it's not like he's guaranteed to be some offensive black hole of production vs LHP and he's shown he can perform just fine vs them.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Wilson A2000 » Tue May 03, 2016 10:24 pm

He's had this injury for a while, but just now told the Cubs. Was icing it himself, but the training staff has already improved his wrist? Sheesh don't try to be a doc Jason.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue May 03, 2016 10:24 pm

It is pretty damn amazing that we can be at the beginning of May and with Schwarber out and Heyward dealing with this and I'm not worried about the team kicking ass at all.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby UMFan83 » Wed May 04, 2016 2:47 pm

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Interesting read. I hope this is the Cubs working on his pitch selection and knowing what they are doing.
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