I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

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Postby Duke Silver » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:21 pm

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Duke Silver wrote:I can't wait to get excited about his 2017 off-season swing change.
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Re: I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:23 pm

Rumor has it that Ohtani passed on the Cubs because he didn't want them to destroy him like they did Heyward.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:24 pm

i like the part about how he leans forward so far that he almost falls over
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Re: I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:34 pm

Since he's come here and sucked offensively I thought he should almost change his stance be more of what Derrek Lee did. Get way more straight up and not so crouched and incorporate a bigger leg kick. They are both really tall (for a baseball player) and long, athletic guys and that more straight up stance with a leg kick would seem to help using the leverage they can create instead of being crouched down and using basically all arms like Heyward does.

I should add I know next to nothing but I always loved Lee's swing and stance.
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Re: I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

Postby Bull » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:24 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Since he's come here and sucked offensively I thought he should almost change his stance be more of what Derrek Lee did. Get way more straight up and not so crouched and incorporate a bigger leg kick. They are both really tall (for a baseball player) and long, athletic guys and that more straight up stance with a leg kick would seem to help using the leverage they can create instead of being crouched down and using basically all arms like Heyward does.

I should add I know next to nothing but I always loved Lee's swing and stance.

Lee's butt was much higher.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:30 pm

Or to give a more recent example and with ties to our new hitting coach, getting somewhere “straight up” like Jackie Bradley Jr would be something I’d like to see.

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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:58 pm

Brian wrote:amateur hitting coaches assemble! IT'S JASON HEYWARD SWING WATCH '18! Back with more short internet clips to obsess over



Looks like a Zobrist hand gyration to me. Is Ben teaching him now?
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Postby Regular Show » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:31 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Since he's come here and sucked offensively I thought he should almost change his stance be more of what Derrek Lee did. Get way more straight up and not so crouched and incorporate a bigger leg kick. They are both really tall (for a baseball player) and long, athletic guys and that more straight up stance with a leg kick would seem to help using the leverage they can create instead of being crouched down and using basically all arms like Heyward does.

I should add I know next to nothing but I always loved Lee's swing and stance.


I think D. Lee was the most complete hitter I've ever seen while watching the Cubs. His performance in 2005 was amazing and MVP-worthy. I also like his stance and how he uses a leg kick, but it's not for everyone. D. Lee had great hands and a great swing. I really wouldn't try to get J. Heyward to start using a bigger leg kick. Not a good idea. Heyward has timing issues, and a leg kick could further mess up his timing at the plate.

If he wants more power he needs to start utilizing his lower half and properly distribute weight during his swing. A lot of times when his front foot lands it's sliding forward or looks awkward, and he just uses his arms and upper body to power the ball.
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Re: I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

Postby OleMissCub » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:43 am

Brian wrote:amateur hitting coaches assemble! IT'S JASON HEYWARD SWING WATCH '18! Back with more short internet clips to obsess over


Most noticeable thing I see is that he's not dropping his hands anymore.
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Postby PackLandVA » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:46 am

The amplified sound of bat hitting ball is what I find confusing. From the sound of it, you'd never know the contact above would've resulted in a weak pop out to SS (sans being inside and the netting).

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:00 pm

If I have faith in anyone saving the day, it's Chili [expletive] Davis.
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Re: I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

Postby Regular Show » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:11 am

Banedon wrote:https://twitter.com/MDGonzales/status/940664671597748224


Without a major overhaul I'm afraid he'll never be that productive on offense. Pitchers know how to exploit his weaknesses right now. Like TT said, if he gets enough +DRS and plays amazing defense then he'll still be valuable to the Cubs. Just sucks that all his value is pretty much derived on defense.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:11 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:If I have faith in anyone saving the day, it's Chili [expletive] Davis.


Or Rod Carew.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:12 am

Or God.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:12 am

Maybe KENT. No, def KENT.
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Postby NOLA » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:17 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:If I have faith in anyone saving the day, it's Chili [expletive] Davis.


Or Rod Carew.

I listened to a podcast a year or so back about Carew and they discussed him as a hitting coach. He apparently become very bitter about the state of hitting in MLB and hating coaching in the K era.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:18 am

NOLA wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:If I have faith in anyone saving the day, it's Chili [expletive] Davis.


Or Rod Carew.

I listened to a podcast a year or so back about Carew and they discussed him as a hitting coach. He apparently become very bitter about the state of hitting in MLB and hating coaching in the K era.



Which is why he would be perfect fir Heyward. I mean, it makes no sense, but neither does a 6-5 RF with absolutely zero power.
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:15 pm

I don't know what you have against Jason Heyward but not cool Duke
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Postby Duke Silver » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:17 pm

UMFan83 wrote:I don't know what you have against Jason Heyward but not cool Duke


What's the worst that could happen? He sucks and is an albatross around our necks for the rest of time?
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Postby Banedon » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:55 pm

Duke Silver wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:I don't know what you have against Jason Heyward but not cool Duke


What's the worst that could happen? He sucks and is an albatross around our necks for the rest of time?


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Re: I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

Postby jumbo » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:29 am

Rizzo and Heyward set up closest to and farthest from the plate
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Re: I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

Postby d_money » Sat May 12, 2018 11:51 am

Is J-Hey unfixable?

In looking at bWAR, he finished 2015 with 6.6 WAR with StL and never posted below 3.5 the previous 3 years. He posted a 2.3 bWAR with the Cubs last year. At the time, it was still a good signing by the Cubs based on his age and success, but damn...he can't be this marginal for the rest of his contract.
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