I like Gold Gloves and I cannot lie: the Jason Heyward thread

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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby David » Wed May 04, 2016 3:02 pm

If they can do to him whatever they did to dexter fowler. ..
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby David » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:56 am

Signs of life, I guess?

Heyward in June .278/.350/.556 in 36 AB
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby cubsclapp » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:54 pm

David wrote:Signs of life, I guess?

Heyward in June .278/.350/.556 in 36 AB


Yeah, he looks much, much better. Swing much smoother and with more authority. Really have to wonder if the wrist was indeed a big issue.

He's up to 1.0 fWAR now too.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:12 pm

He has the ugliest left handed swing in baseball history.
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Postby cubsclapp » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:14 pm

And he's 3-for-3 since that post.

OPS up to .682, fWAR up to 1.2.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby cubsclapp » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:16 pm

Bunts Lick Butts wrote:He has the ugliest left handed swing in baseball history.


It's how he starts his hands and all the herky jerky stuff, plus the toe tap he's added this year make it look even wackier. But his hands are getting where they need to be now in the load position. He was all over the place earlier in the year.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:17 pm

Bunts Lick Butts wrote:He has the ugliest left handed swing in baseball history.

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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Butterscup » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:45 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
Bunts Lick Butts wrote:He has the ugliest left handed swing in baseball history.

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he looks like he's in physical pain
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby bcl412 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:09 am

Butterscup wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
Bunts Lick Butts wrote:He has the ugliest left handed swing in baseball history.

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he looks like he's in physical pain

He knows he will be managing teams against the 2016 Cubs in the future.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby BigSlick » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:44 am

I'm almost afraid to declare his painful spring over, but Heyward does look like a very different hitter up there. If he is out of it and a productive, confident hitter with power and patience, that just ups the amazingness of this team that much more.

I'm encouraged.

Also, god Counsell's stance is just annoying to even look at
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Tracer Bullet » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:27 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Bunts Lick Butts wrote:He has the ugliest left handed swing in baseball history.

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imb's comment was obviously limited to actual baseball players
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby UMFan83 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:06 pm

Arbitrary endpoint fun

OPS since...

April 21 (39 G): .751
May 11 (25 G): .814
May 28 (15 G): .917
June 2 (10 G): 1.026

Also, Heyward ended his OPS at .682 yesterday, which is the highest he's ended a game at any point this season, even in the first couple of games of the year.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Irrelevant Dude » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:55 pm

This article isn't particularly encouraging that Heyward's bat will come around (at least not this season).
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/07/06/jason- ... shaw-stats
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby treebird » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:13 pm

yeah, at this point it's not that i'm worried about him as much as i just think he sucks. the defense is nice though.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby UMFan83 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:16 pm

It's unfair I'm sure but at this point I'm writing him off as a great fielder who can't hit and if he turns it around it will be a pleasant surprise. His track record suggests that he will get better, but maybe its one of those things where it lasts all year and then next year everyone writes him off, the pressure is gone, and he has a career year.

Or maybe he goes the Soler route and waits until the playoffs and goes off.

Edit: Having actually read the article now, that is quite concerning if true. That said, if his swing was such a problem why was he having better results in previous years? Now all the sudden pitchers are treating him like a pitcher hitting? Now they are pounding him inside? There has to be a luck portion of this that will ensure he improves at some point.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Banedon » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:09 pm

I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that things aren't gonna get a ton better during the year. I'm hopeful they can do something to get him fixed up in the offseason, but I'm not sure how warranted that optimism is.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby sneakypower » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:05 pm

rest-of-season, i still say over on .750 OPS o/u
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:11 pm

treebird wrote:yeah, at this point it's not that i'm worried about him as much as i just think he sucks. the defense is nice though.


It feels like it would be this weird miracle if he somehow started hitting at this point; he just seems so oddly "naturally" horsefeathers at the plate that I'm kinda baffled he's had seasons of success when he's so easily pitched to.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:42 pm

sneakypower wrote:rest-of-season, i still say over on .750 OPS o/u

that would look pretty good in the 7th or 8th spot
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Duke Silver » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:44 pm

I hope he can do a little better in the second half. But I don't have much hope. His swing is just so ugly. Fix that in the off-season and start over. Until then, he's going to have a rough time. So let's just hope he doesn't hold us back too much offensively.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby UMFan83 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:45 pm

Duke Silver wrote:I hope he can do a little better in the second half. But I don't have much hope. His swing is just so ugly. Fix that in the off-season and start over. Until then, he's going to have a rough time. So let's just hope he doesn't hold us back too much offensively.


I saw Duke reply to this thread and thought 'oh good, he's probably going to post something that ultimately makes me feel more optimistic about the situation'

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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:59 pm

I'm a bit frustrated and more disappointed by Heyward's lack of offense. I'm not expecting a huge turnaround, but at the same time I'm not resigning myself to a full season of this either considering his past streakiness.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Duke Silver » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:04 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm a bit frustrated and more disappointed by Heyward's lack of offense. I'm not expecting a huge turnaround, but at the same time I'm not resigning myself to a full season of this either considering his past streakiness.


I'm resigning myself to it, so that if this does continue, it will not anger me. It will only fall in line with what I expect. If he does improve, then it will be something for me to take delight in.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby Duke Silver » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:05 pm

That's how I treated Starlin last year, too. And it made his breakout all the more sweet.
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Re: Time to worry about Heyward yet?

Postby BigSlick » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:18 pm

I'd feel better if there was *any* indication that he is going to turn around but everything is softly hit. He pops up, grounds out softly to 2nd, or strikes out. Those homers were nice for a stretch but nothing has been sustained. Not surprisingly his Soft Hit% is way up and his Hard Hit % is way down.

He's just gonna have to keep doing what he's doing in the outfield and on the basepaths like he has the whole season. Didn't think Baez and Russell would be out-and-out better hitters this year than Heyward, but so it is.
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