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 Post subject: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:03 pm 
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#Cubs hire Rob Deer as assistant hitting coach: http://cmcst.sn/aabpdf #CubsTalk (@CSNMooney)

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Deer will work closely with hitting coach James Rowson - who replaced Rudy Jaramillo in the middle of last season and earned the job full-time - as well as manager Dale Sveum.

Sveum, a former hitting coach and Deer's teammate with the Milwaukee Brewers in the 1980s, has strong opinions about what the Cubs should be doing at the plate.

Deer hit .220 with 230 home runs and 1,409 strikeouts during his 11-year major-league career. Deer has worked as a hitting coordinator for the San Diego Padres organization.


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#Cubs hire Rob Deer as assistant hitting coach: http://cmcst.sn/aabpdf #CubsTalk (@CSNMooney)

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Deer will work closely with hitting coach James Rowson - who replaced Rudy Jaramillo in the middle of last season and earned the job full-time - as well as manager Dale Sveum.

Sveum, a former hitting coach and Deer's teammate with the Milwaukee Brewers in the 1980s, has strong opinions about what the Cubs should be doing at the plate.
Deer hit .220 with 230 home runs and 1,409 strikeouts during his 11-year major-league career. Deer has worked as a hitting coordinator for the San Diego Padres organization.

And what might those opinions be? Nice reporting, Mooney :good:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:13 pm 
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#Cubs hire Rob Deer as assistant hitting coach: http://cmcst.sn/aabpdf #CubsTalk (@CSNMooney)

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Deer will work closely with hitting coach James Rowson - who replaced Rudy Jaramillo in the middle of last season and earned the job full-time - as well as manager Dale Sveum.

Sveum, a former hitting coach and Deer's teammate with the Milwaukee Brewers in the 1980s, has strong opinions about what the Cubs should be doing at the plate.
Deer hit .220 with 230 home runs and 1,409 strikeouts during his 11-year major-league career. Deer has worked as a hitting coordinator for the San Diego Padres organization.

And what might those opinions be? Nice reporting, Mooney :good:



Just the person we need to help Jackson and Vitters cut down their strikeouts.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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Rob Deer was Adam Dunn before Adam Dunn was Adam Dunn – he was the classic three outcome hitter: he struck out, he walked, or he homered. A career .220 hitter, Deer made his bones with a .324 career OBP and a .442 SLG. That’s an incredible .114 IsoD (12.7% career walk rate!) and an excellent .222 IsoP, the kinds of things you’d love to see your hitters incorporate into their game. More patience, more power. More runs.

So, Deer was Dunn before Dunn, and he was a sabermetric darling before such a thing was even remotely mainstream.

Deer has worked as a hitting instructor around baseball for a while now in his post-playing career, and has also been developing his proprietary “Vizubat,” a device designed to help hitters.

I like not only Deer’s background, as a different kind of hitter (diversity is often good), but I like that the Cubs are bringing yet another voice/mind into the equation at the plate. Lord knows they can use all the help they can get, and if Deer and Sveum already have a quality history of working well together, this could be a nice mix for the Cubs.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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At what point do we start dealing with the laws of diminishing returns with all these assistants and multi-layered front office? Isn't there concerns about too many voices being a distraction and the whole too many cooks issue?

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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At what point do we start dealing with the laws of diminishing returns with all these assistants and multi-layered front office? Isn't there concerns about too many voices being a distraction and the whole too many cooks issue?


I really don't think that should be an issue. The whole "Cubs Way" manual that is being/has been created should have everybody preaching exactly the same thing top to bottom. I think having more guys just allows more individual attention for each player and time to work on things. Plus, another set of eyes to spot potential problems with mechanics can't be a bad thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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At what point do we start dealing with the laws of diminishing returns with all these assistants and multi-layered front office? Isn't there concerns about too many voices being a distraction and the whole too many cooks issue?


Considering the Cubs used to have one of the smallest front offices by a good margin, I'm going to say not anytime soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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This is funny because of the type of hitter Deer was, but I really don't know much about him as a coach. Perhaps having such flaws allows him to be a good coach.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:21 am 
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jersey cubs fan wrote:
At what point do we start dealing with the laws of diminishing returns with all these assistants and multi-layered front office? Isn't there concerns about too many voices being a distraction and the whole too many cooks issue?


I really don't think that should be an issue. The whole "Cubs Way" manual that is being/has been created should have everybody preaching exactly the same thing top to bottom. I think having more guys just allows more individual attention for each player and time to work on things. Plus, another set of eyes to spot potential problems with mechanics can't be a bad thing.

Christians have (for the most part) the same manual, but that doesn't stop us from being hypocritical, arrogant, and (often times) wrong...


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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This is funny because of the type of hitter Deer was, but I really don't know much about him as a coach. Perhaps having such flaws allows him to be a good coach.


He had the approach down.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:53 am 
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mul21 wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
At what point do we start dealing with the laws of diminishing returns with all these assistants and multi-layered front office? Isn't there concerns about too many voices being a distraction and the whole too many cooks issue?


I really don't think that should be an issue. The whole "Cubs Way" manual that is being/has been created should have everybody preaching exactly the same thing top to bottom. I think having more guys just allows more individual attention for each player and time to work on things. Plus, another set of eyes to spot potential problems with mechanics can't be a bad thing.

Christians have (for the most part) the same manual, but that doesn't stop us from being hypocritical, arrogant, and (often times) wrong...

The manual argument wasn't great, but your religion analogy is just plain terrible. There aren't 2B people in the team's front office and Christians can't be "fired" for incorrectly following their manual.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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mul21 wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
At what point do we start dealing with the laws of diminishing returns with all these assistants and multi-layered front office? Isn't there concerns about too many voices being a distraction and the whole too many cooks issue?


I really don't think that should be an issue. The whole "Cubs Way" manual that is being/has been created should have everybody preaching exactly the same thing top to bottom. I think having more guys just allows more individual attention for each player and time to work on things. Plus, another set of eyes to spot potential problems with mechanics can't be a bad thing.

Christians have (for the most part) the same manual, but that doesn't stop us from being hypocritical, arrogant, and (often times) wrong...

The manual argument wasn't great, but your religion analogy is just plain terrible. There aren't 2B people in the team's front office and Christians can't be "fired" for incorrectly following their manual.

My point is that people can and will read the exact same text and get a different meaning out of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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I'm hearing that the Cubs are looking into Jeff Suppan as special assistant to the pitching coach. :hello:

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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MOAR HITTING COACHES IS THE ANSWER!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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For those who haven't been around long enough to remember....... the CUBS have already tried the College of Coaches thing. It didn't work.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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For those who haven't been around long enough to remember....... the CUBS have already tried the College of Coaches thing. It didn't work.


Don't you think part of the reason that was unsuccessful was that each and every coach did things differently?

Jed worked with Deer in San Diego, I believe. I would imagine that the same philosophy will be espoused by Deer that is being espoused by the rest of the staff. It's just a way for more of our players to get one-on-one time.

It's a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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For those who haven't been around long enough to remember....... the CUBS have already tried the College of Coaches thing. It didn't work.


Don't you think part of the reason that was unsuccessful was that each and every coach did things differently?


No, not even marginally so. The College of Coaches, all brought up from within the organization and familiar with all the young talent on the team at the time, were all doing exactly the same thing. That is, trying to promote themselves while backstabbing all the other coaches in an attempt to become THE manager by winning the favor of an uncaring, absentee owner who wasn't even paying attention anyway. The only reason Wrigley came up with this cockamamey scheme in the first place was because he was too damned cheap to give Lou Boudreau a 2 year contract. Boudreau spent the next 25 years in the booth and the team spent the next 25 years, except for the brief tenure of Leo Durocher, in the toilet.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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Which is moot, since the CoC was a ridiculous idea to work in place of having a manager, which isn't what's happening here at all.

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haha, people are getting mad about this


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Hire Rob Deer as Assistant Hitting Coach
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Which is moot, since the CoC was a ridiculous idea to work in place of having a manager, which isn't what's happening here at all.

I think you mean "moo point".


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Which is moot, since the CoC was a ridiculous idea to work in place of having a manager, which isn't what's happening here at all.

I think you mean "moo point".


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It's been a couple days, and I'm still not getting how attaching a ball to the bat makes you hit better.

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It's been a couple days, and I'm still not getting how attaching a ball to the bat makes you hit better.

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