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Re: The Cardinals

Postby The_Achiever » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:40 pm

Edith Cox wrote:
Thed Hoyerstein wrote:With Molina catching, Cardinals pitchers's NL rankings are 10th in FIP and 9th in WAR with below average framing to boot. He's literally been a negative to their staff.

The defensive plus rating which you referenced is 29th in baseball behind defensive wunderkind Victor Caratini


How much do you want to bet the Cardinals pitchers don't feel that way? Every single one wants to have Molina back there of the other two guys they have.


Aren't you a big "facts over feelings" guy?

Please God I hope this is a bit.
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Re: The Cardinals

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Edith Cox » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:44 pm

Edith Cox wrote:So lets recap, 38 games as starter this year...
.798 for Russell = SSS/Meaningles/Shouldn't be on the team let alone start
.728 for Wieters = He's better than Molina and should start


#ODDTHISGOTIGNORED
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:47 pm

Everyone agreed with your stated conclusions in that one.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Derwood » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:47 pm

Edith Cox wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:So lets recap, 38 games as starter this year...
.798 for Russell = SSS/Meaningles/Shouldn't be on the team let alone start
.728 for Wieters = He's better than Molina and should start


#ODDTHISGOTIGNORED


Is Wieters a wife beater who doesn’t remember his team’s signs?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Edith Cox » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:56 pm

Derwood wrote:Is Wieters a wife beater who doesn’t remember his team’s signs?


How do you know he isn't and don't?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Derwood » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:04 pm

Edith Cox wrote:
Derwood wrote:Is Wieters a wife beater who doesn’t remember his team’s signs?


How do you know he isn't and don't?


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Re: The Cardinals

Postby George Hayduke » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:06 am

Edith Cox wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:So lets recap, 38 games as starter this year...
.798 for Russell = SSS/Meaningles/Shouldn't be on the team let alone start
.728 for Wieters = He's better than Molina and should start


#ODDTHISGOTIGNORED

Do you think Russell has a separate, superior offensive skill set that he only breaks out when he starts?

His 2019 OPS is .733. He sucks. Stop saying otherwise.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Edith Cox » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:10 am

George Hayduke wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:So lets recap, 38 games as starter this year...
.798 for Russell = SSS/Meaningles/Shouldn't be on the team let alone start
.728 for Wieters = He's better than Molina and should start


#ODDTHISGOTIGNORED

Do you think Russell has a separate, superior offensive skill set that he only breaks out when he starts?

His 2019 OPS is .733. He sucks. Stop saying otherwise.


Young players tend to be bad off the bench which is a hard role for most players, and he made a bunch of outs as PH when he was dealing with the hand injury.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby George Hayduke » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:14 am

Edith Cox wrote:
George Hayduke wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:
#ODDTHISGOTIGNORED

Do you think Russell has a separate, superior offensive skill set that he only breaks out when he starts?

His 2019 OPS is .733. He sucks. Stop saying otherwise.


Young players tend to be bad off the bench which is a hard role for most players, and he made a bunch of outs as PH when he was dealing with the hand injury.

Ahh hmm shoot good point. It’s a shame we don’t have any other recent years of PA’s from him to add to the sample size so we’d have more accurate statistics to base his performance off of.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Derwood » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:18 am

“Young player”
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:22 am

Derwood wrote:“Young player”


Hey, look, when you've accumulated 588 games of increasingly middling professional baseball and you're "only" 25, it's like they don't even count at all!
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Derwood » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:23 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Derwood wrote:“Young player”


Hey, look, when you've accumulated 588 games of mostly middling professional baseball and you're "only" 25, it's like they don't even count at all!


2138 major league plate appearances is pretty average for a young player like Russell. He’s really barely gotten his feet wet.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:24 am

Derwood wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Derwood wrote:“Young player”


Hey, look, when you've accumulated 588 games of mostly middling professional baseball and you're "only" 25, it's like they don't even count at all!


2138 major league plate appearances is pretty average for a young player like Russell. He’s really barely gotten his feet wet.


Look at him, he's just like a kid out there!
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Derwood » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:27 am

Young players like Russell struggle off the bench.

For example, Russell’s career OPS off the bench is .727, compared to his career OPS as a starter of *checks notes* .706
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:32 am

Derwood wrote:Young players like Russell struggle off the bench.

For example, Russell’s career OPS off the bench is .727, compared to his career OPS as a starter of *checks notes* .706


Lord, this asshat has topped out with an OPS of .738, and has twice finished a season with an OPS under .700. But sure, it's coming of the bench where he REALLY struggles.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Edith Cox » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:19 am

Molina comes back and catches a 4 hit shut-out and then Flaherty goes right into talking about having Molina back in the post game on the field.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Tim » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:27 am

Edith Cox wrote:Molina comes back and catches a 4 hit shut-out and then Flaherty goes right into talking about having Molina back in the post game on the field.

All I can think of when I read this post is that I should really add a wanking emoji.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:28 am

Edith Cox wrote:Molina comes back and catches a 4 hit shut-out and then Flaherty goes right into talking about having Molina back in the post game on the field.

His last 7 starts before tonight he had a .96 ERA, low 2 FIP, low 3 xFIP, 34% K rate, 7% BB rate, and 19 hits in 38 innings. Find a new slant jack ass.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Edith Cox » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:34 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:Molina comes back and catches a 4 hit shut-out and then Flaherty goes right into talking about having Molina back in the post game on the field.

His last 7 starts before tonight he had a .96 ERA, low 2 FIP, low 3 xFIP, 34% K rate, 7% BB rate, and 19 hits in 38 innings. Find a new slant jack ass.


And yet he went right into talking about Molina
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby itisallpartoftheplan » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:34 am

Edith Cox wrote:Molina comes back and catches a 4 hit shut-out and then Flaherty goes right into talking about having Molina back in the post game on the field.


He almost no hit the Cubs with Wieters catching him who also hit a 3 run homer to ensure the rest of the game was minimum stress.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Edith Cox » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:39 am

itisallpartoftheplan wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:Molina comes back and catches a 4 hit shut-out and then Flaherty goes right into talking about having Molina back in the post game on the field.


He almost no hit the Cubs with Wieters catching him who also hit a 3 run homer to ensure the rest of the game was minimum stress.


You are talking about the road Cubs
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:41 am

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby itisallpartoftheplan » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:00 am

Edith Cox wrote:
itisallpartoftheplan wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:Molina comes back and catches a 4 hit shut-out and then Flaherty goes right into talking about having Molina back in the post game on the field.


He almost no hit the Cubs with Wieters catching him who also hit a 3 run homer to ensure the rest of the game was minimum stress.


You are talking about the road Cubs


Go take a look at the Royals home record and the Cubs road record.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby soccer10k » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:08 am

Edith Cox wrote:
itisallpartoftheplan wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:Molina comes back and catches a 4 hit shut-out and then Flaherty goes right into talking about having Molina back in the post game on the field.


He almost no hit the Cubs with Wieters catching him who also hit a 3 run homer to ensure the rest of the game was minimum stress.


You are talking about the road Cubs


Interesting that you didn't mention how he shutout the best team in the NL over 7 innings and struck out 10 in his last start. Oh and Wieters caught that one too.
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