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Re: The Cardinals

Postby David » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:05 pm

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davell wrote:After seeing the Padres punishment, if this winds up being anything more than a fine, I'll be pleasantly surprised. I cared much more before we decided to be the best team in baseball.

Punishing them now is the equivalent of running over an already limping, disease infected rodent. It was dying anyway. I'd rather watch the slow death in this case.


They should receive the harshest penalty MLB can handout. I want a forfeiture of their first 3 draft picks for 2017, the first 2 for 2018, and their 1st in 2019 with corresponding financial penalties. Their 1st round draft pick should go to the Astros in 2017 with the rest distributed to the teams in the NL Central.

I horsefeathering hate the Cardinals with a white hot passion. I hate everything about the from their stupid red uniforms to their smug, stupid, hillbilly fans all wearing red to the game. They're all a bunch of horsefeathers nuts. However as much as it pains me to write, they've made some pretty good moves this offseason and I expect them to be right there with the Cubs.


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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Splendid Splinter » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:57 pm

CubinNY wrote:
davell wrote:After seeing the Padres punishment, if this winds up being anything more than a fine, I'll be pleasantly surprised. I cared much more before we decided to be the best team in baseball.

Punishing them now is the equivalent of running over an already limping, disease infected rodent. It was dying anyway. I'd rather watch the slow death in this case.


They should receive the harshest penalty MLB can handout. I want a forfeiture of their first 3 draft picks for 2017, the first 2 for 2018, and their 1st in 2019 with corresponding financial penalties. Their 1st round draft pick should go to the Astros in 2017 with the rest distributed to the teams in the NL Central.

I horsefeathering hate the Cardinals with a white hot passion. I hate everything about the from their stupid red uniforms to their smug, stupid, hillbilly fans all wearing red to the game. They're all a bunch of horsefeathers nuts. However as much as it pains me to write, they've made some pretty good moves this offseason and I expect them to be right there with the Cubs.


As in 10 games back instead of 17.5?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Regular Show » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:04 am

CubinNY wrote: They should receive the harshest penalty MLB can handout. I want a forfeiture of their first 3 draft picks for 2017, the first 2 for 2018, and their 1st in 2019 with corresponding financial penalties. Their 1st round draft pick should go to the Astros in 2017 with the rest distributed to the teams in the NL Central.

I horsefeathering hate the Cardinals with a white hot passion. I hate everything about the from their stupid red uniforms to their smug, stupid, hillbilly fans all wearing red to the game. They're all a bunch of horsefeathers nuts. However as much as it pains me to write, they've made some pretty good moves this offseason and I expect them to be right there with the Cubs.


Yeah, so I despise the Cardinals too, but even I have to admit that punishment is way too harsh lol. You want 3 draft picks in 2017, 2 in 2018 and 1 in 2019 taken away? You could only do that if they had a concrete plan to hack the Astros with approval from the GM/President level or ownership level and could prove they clearly benefited from it via trades and draft selections aided by scouting reports from the Astros.

I feel like they're going to get a monetary fine and the loss of a second or third round pick in 2017, and maybe the loss of Int. $$$ also. Buster Olney reported there should be a punishment coming soon. We'll see.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby davell » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:54 am

The Cardinals have brought a slinky to a gun fight with Theo. We will continue to just play with them until we grow tired and break them or throw them away.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Regular Show » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:12 am

I think you guys are a little too giddy over being WS Champs. Yeah we dominated the NL and won the division easily. We probably will win and dominate the NL again, but the Cardinals are still a dangerous team that will remain in the WC chase. I won't be afraid of them come playoff time, but injuries are the great equalizer and in a short series anything can happen...

I mean the Cardinals aren't the Reds or the Brewers. Maybe in a few yrs when they have to rebuild or retool, but they're still formidable.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby David » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:21 am

Regular Show wrote:I think you guys are a little too giddy over being WS Champs. Yeah we dominated the NL and won the division easily. We probably will win and dominate the NL again, but the Cardinals are still a dangerous team that will remain in the WC chase. I won't be afraid of them come playoff time, but injuries are the great equalizer and in a short series anything can happen...

I mean the Cardinals aren't the Reds or the Brewers. Maybe in a few yrs when they have to rebuild or retool, but they're still formidable.


They'll finish 10 games behind us unless we suffer major injury issues. Then it'll be like 5.

Any team in the playoffs is pretty much as dangerous as any other, so yeah, obviously if they make a wild card, they, and any other team, are capable of knocking us out.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:46 am

NL ZiPS depth charts

Cubs 51 WAR (this was before Davis and Uehara so probably 52 now)
Dodgers 43
Giants 42
Nationals 40
Cardinals 38
Marlins 33
Diamondbacks 30
Braves 28
Brewers 26
Padres 21

The Cardinals are closer to the Brewers than the Cubs.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby David » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:35 am

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:NL ZiPS depth charts

Cubs 51 WAR (this was before Davis and Uehara so probably 52 now)
Dodgers 43
Giants 42
Nationals 40
Cardinals 38
Diamondbacks 30
Braves 28
Brewers 26
Padres 21

The Cardinals are closer to the Brewers than the Cubs.


are the fg projected standings based on steamer? i wonder why the gap is so wide that we're basically even (or slightly behind - depending on what day i check) with LA.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:10 am

David wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:NL ZiPS depth charts

Cubs 51 WAR (this was before Davis and Uehara so probably 52 now)
Dodgers 43
Giants 42
Nationals 40
Cardinals 38
Diamondbacks 30
Braves 28
Brewers 26
Padres 21

The Cardinals are closer to the Brewers than the Cubs.


are the fg projected standings based on steamer? i wonder why the gap is so wide that we're basically even (or slightly behind - depending on what day i check) with LA.


Yes they are. ZiPS rightly recognizes that the Cubs position players are streets ahead of the Dodgers, mostly because they aren't afraid to recognize that Rizzo/Bryant is the best position player combination in MLB and not two run of the mill all-stars.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammy Sofa » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:53 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:NL ZiPS depth charts

Cubs 51 WAR (this was before Davis and Uehara so probably 52 now)
Dodgers 43
Giants 42
Nationals 40
Cardinals 38
Diamondbacks 30
Braves 28
Brewers 26
Padres 21

The Cardinals are closer to the Brewers than the Cubs.


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Re: The Cardinals

Postby eee123 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:50 pm

This ridiculous Stadium Journey listicle says Busch Stadium is the third-best stadium experience across all sports.

http://www.scout.com/stadium-journey/st ... es-of-2016

Yet everything they use to back that ranking was just the Cardinals following already-established trends.

New video board: Installed to catch up with Cubs.
Ballpark Village: One of many lame Cordish Co. "Live!" barmalls. This one came years after Kansas City's larger version.
Wifi: So what? Every ballpark is in the process of getting that.
Food: I don't think anyone ranks their food as above average among MLB parks.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby NOLA » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:24 pm

I've been to about 20 of those venues and that is an awful list. If they're listing MiLB parks and not listing Autozone in Memphis they are morons. Alex Box in Baton Rouge? Starkville? Ben Hill Griffin in Gainesville? Ok.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammy's Boombox » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:06 am

Yeah. That list is a joke. Progressive Field as 4th best venue in MLB? Not a chance. And how do the Phillies not make the list when their twin stadium gets third overall?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:54 am

The Cardinals could finally know their "Hackgate" punishment within weeks.

"I expect, hope, that it will play out before the start of spring training," Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. said Monday. "I know the goal is, for the commissioner, to get things completed by late January, hopefully early February at the latest."


http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... e2ed3.html
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Re: The Cardinals

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Cubfanintheknow » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:53 pm

http://deadspin.com/feds-cardinals-hack ... 1791778599

Sounds like this could be coming to a conclusion soon. And it doesn't sound good for the Cards. :yahoo:
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby BigbadB » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:52 pm

They lost the first two draft picks (after Fowler) #56 and #75 for 2017 and they have 30 days to pay a $2 million fine.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/ESPN-hires-Da ... n-50934921
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby DiceMan4221 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:58 pm

BigbadB wrote:They lost the first two draft picks (after Fowler) #56 and #75 for 2017 and they have 30 days to pay a $2 million fine.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/ESPN-hires-Da ... n-50934921

...David Ross tho?
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Re: The Cardinals

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby BigbadB » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:05 pm

DiceMan4221 wrote:
BigbadB wrote:They lost the first two draft picks (after Fowler) #56 and #75 for 2017 and they have 30 days to pay a $2 million fine.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/ESPN-hires-Da ... n-50934921

...David Ross tho?


The Cardinal story was the first link when I opened it. Ross is there now. Cardinal story bumped one down. Weird.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:34 pm

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Bull » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:30 pm

Between this and the reds stadium pic, this has to be intentional at this point, no?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:33 pm

Bull wrote:Between this and the reds stadium pic, this has to be intentional at this point, no?


You are giving too much credit to your former STL brethren
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Bull » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:35 pm

UMFan83 wrote:
Bull wrote:Between this and the reds stadium pic, this has to be intentional at this point, no?


You are giving too much credit to your former STL brethren

Between this, the reds stadium pic and using the Astros draft board, this has to be intentional at this point, no?
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Re: The Cardinals

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