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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:04 pm

See also: the 2018 Cubs and Javier Baez.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby The Logan » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:08 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:See also: the 2018 Cubs and Javier Baez.


Baez certainly isn't hitting at the level he's shown most of the year lately, but he still has an .800+ OPS over his last 19 games and in the month of September. He may not be hitting like an MVP lately, but he's not hurting the team by being an offensive black hole any means.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:24 pm

It wasn't a shot at Baez; it was agreeing with the general idea that a hitter going horsefeathers crazy often drives a team to surge even if most of the players around him have been pretty underwhelming. Baez has been fine (at the very least) this month, but I also think him hitting in that time with an OPS that's almost a good 100 points less than what he's been swinging most of the rest of the season has, unfortunately, exposed how relatively precariously most of the rest of the Cubs' offense has been clinging to what he had been doing for a while now. I think the last couple of weeks have been pretty telling: the Cubs as a whole have looked like butt in that time, but in his last week's worth of games Baez has had a .984 OPS and, likely not just coincidentally, the Cubs have managed to actually win and gain some ground in that time. His last two weeks his total OPS is .661, and that's when they were struggling even more and losing ground. I don't think it's a stretch to say this team is largely living and dying with how Baez goes right now.

And we're also actually selling short how much Carptenter has fallen off. Forget that he's had a .772 OPS in the last 19 games; in September so far (14 games), he's had a truly miserable .559 OPS.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby The Logan » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:08 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:And we're also actually selling short how much Carptenter has fallen off. Forget that he's had a .772 OPS in the last 19 games; in September so far (14 games), he's had a truly miserable .559 OPS.


Yeah I had updated my post to mention that. The .772 OPS was only that high because of the first game of that 19 game stretch when he went 4 for 5. If you just go by the previous 18 games instead of 19 games it's .651.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:56 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:in September so far (14 games), he's had a truly miserable .559 OPS.

roughly 135 points higher than the cubs as a team
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Regular Show » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:22 am







"Molina has earned his right to take bases at his own pace..." :lol:
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby NonProfitCow » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:25 am

He's actually just got a bad hamstring
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Billy_Buck » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:18 am

NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring

I think of it as a "legacy" hamstring
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby UMFan83 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:42 pm

NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring


The guy should have said that instead of his hilariously awful logic
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby weis21 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:46 pm

NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring

this may be true so this isn't me saying you're full of it. it's more just wondering out loud.

how could a catcher have a hamstring that was physically bothering them to the point they can't run hard and still be catching? wouldn't the constant squatting and popping up just exacerbate the problem ten fold?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:51 pm

weis21 wrote:
NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring

this may be true so this isn't me saying you're full of it. it's more just wondering out loud.

how could a catcher have a hamstring that was physically bothering them to the point they can't run hard and still be catching? wouldn't the constant squatting and popping up just exacerbate the problem ten fold?


I would think it would be hell
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:56 pm

weis21 wrote:
NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring

this may be true so this isn't me saying you're full of it. it's more just wondering out loud.

how could a catcher have a hamstring that was physically bothering them to the point they can't run hard and still be catching? wouldn't the constant squatting and popping up just exacerbate the problem ten fold?


I would think the squatting wouldn't be that bad on the hammy itself, since it's your quads and calves doing the work.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby NonProfitCow » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:08 pm

UMFan83 wrote:
NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring


The guy should have said that instead of his hilariously awful logic

well yeah, he's pretty clearly an idiot
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby NotSoSober » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:28 pm

NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring

He's clearly lacking the proper amount of testosterone after Bryant removed one of his testis. You can already see the effects of hypogandism, but that will just make for a better HOF speech I guess
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby rocket » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:40 pm

NotSoSober wrote:
NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring

He's clearly lacking the proper amount of testosterone after Bryant removed one of his testis. You can already see the effects of hypogandism, but that will just make for a better HOF speech I guess


he probably just rubbed the testosterone cream on his chest protector, like he does with all other foreign substances
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby weis21 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:06 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
weis21 wrote:
NonProfitCow wrote:He's actually just got a bad hamstring

this may be true so this isn't me saying you're full of it. it's more just wondering out loud.

how could a catcher have a hamstring that was physically bothering them to the point they can't run hard and still be catching? wouldn't the constant squatting and popping up just exacerbate the problem ten fold?


I would think the squatting wouldn't be that bad on the hammy itself, since it's your quads and calves doing the work.

Yeah i was thinking more of popping up out of the crouch.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby NotSoSober » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:14 pm

with his HR last night, the testless Yadier Molina tied his older brother and also 1st ballot hall of famer with 144 HRs*
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Bull » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:44 pm

NotSoSober wrote:with his HR last night, the testless Yadier Molina tied his older brother and also 1st ballot hall of famer with 144 HRs*

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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:52 pm

The Brewers still horsefeathers me up because I kinda like the moves they keep making but man it's awesome how inept the cardinals appear to be

like the graveyard of cardinals saviors from just the last like three years is already so deep
Aledmys Diaz (gone)
Piscotty (gone)
Grichuk (gone)
Bader (already kinda blows)
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Banedon » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:16 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:The Brewers still horsefeathers me up because I kinda like the moves they keep making but man it's awesome how inept the cardinals appear to be

like the graveyard of cardinals saviors from just the last like three years is already so deep
Aledmys Diaz (gone)
Piscotty (gone)
Grichuk (gone)
Bader (already kinda blows)
Paul Dejong (sucks)
Pham (traded)


That's why Cardinal fans won't ever let go of Molina.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby soccer10k » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:38 am

Tommy Pham is hitting .347/.444/.620 since moving to the Rays.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Sammys Boombox » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:42 am

Voit is OPSing 1.001 for the Yankees since they acquired him from the Cardinals.
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Re: The Cardinals

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby NonProfitCow » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:06 pm

One sub .500 season since 2000. People are used to it.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:15 pm

I believe it was also after 10 PM and a rain delay on a schoolnight.

That said, actual attendance has always lagged actual local interest.
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