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Starting next year all HOF votes will be made public

Postby OleMissCub » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:16 pm

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Postby Liam Neeson » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:29 pm

Ohhhh boy!!!

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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:31 pm

I like it. The problem is though that the ballot is becoming so full of qualified guys that people (the internet) is going to have a problem with almost every ballot cast since there's going to be like 50 different permutations of ballots that aren't necessarily right or wrong.
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Postby OleMissCub » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:35 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:I like it. The problem is though that the ballot is becoming so full of qualified guys that people (the internet) is going to have a problem with almost every ballot cast since there's going to be like 50 different permutations of ballots that aren't necessarily right or wrong.


Eh, good writers should be able to formulate their arguments against certain guys like Jeff Kent or whomever they get called out on. What this does is put those 16 idiots who didn't vote for Maddux in an impossible spot now that they actually have to defend that crappy non-vote.
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Re: Starting next year all HOF votes will be made public

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:37 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:I like it. The problem is though that the ballot is becoming so full of qualified guys that people (the internet) is going to have a problem with almost every ballot cast since there's going to be like 50 different permutations of ballots that aren't necessarily right or wrong.


Eh, good writers should be able to formulate their arguments against certain guys like Jeff Kent or whomever they get called out on. What this does is put those 16 idiots who didn't vote for Maddux in an impossible spot now that they actually have to defend that crappy non-vote.

Oh, the good is going to far out-weigh the bad by weeding out the true idiots. I'm just saying since they've done such a bad job in the past voting guys in that even "good ballots" are going to come under scrutiny for leaving a guy(s) off because there are just too many options. It's absolutely a great move to make them public, just pointing out what I think is going to happen.
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Postby Derwood » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:21 pm

*shrug*

You can't publicly shame people who have no shame to begin with
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:37 pm

Derwood wrote:*shrug*

You can't publicly shame people who have no shame to begin with


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Postby bcl412 » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:11 am

I pretty much stopped caring about the hall of fame when they decided sluggers from the steroid era weren't getting in. What's the point of a hall of fame where hall of famers aren't in?
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Postby big ball chunky time » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:07 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
Derwood wrote:*shrug*

You can't publicly shame people who have no shame to begin with




horsefeathers this is a good post
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Postby vance_the_cubs_fan » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:12 pm


Yeah this has to be one of the worst ballots cast.
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Postby Tim » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:22 pm

vance_the_cubs_fan wrote:
Yeah this has to be one of the worst ballots cast.

It's not that bad if you're willing to take anyone connected with steroids off the list.

I'm not, though. So I consider his ballot to be horrendous. Any submission that doesn't include Bonds should be thrown out.
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Postby vance_the_cubs_fan » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:28 pm

Tim wrote:
vance_the_cubs_fan wrote:
Yeah this has to be one of the worst ballots cast.

It's not that bad if you're willing to take anyone connected with steroids off the list.

I'm not, though. So I consider his ballot to be horrendous. Any submission that doesn't include Bonds should be thrown out.


And even excluding steroids...Mike Mussina? Seriously?
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Postby Banedon » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:31 pm

Exclusive video of Gordo mailing his ballot...

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Postby Bobson Dugnutt » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:31 pm

vance_the_cubs_fan wrote:
Tim wrote:
vance_the_cubs_fan wrote:
Yeah this has to be one of the worst ballots cast.

It's not that bad if you're willing to take anyone connected with steroids off the list.

I'm not, though. So I consider his ballot to be horrendous. Any submission that doesn't include Bonds should be thrown out.


And even excluding steroids...Mike Mussina? Seriously?


3rd highest bWAR of anyone on the ballot.
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Postby Tim » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:37 pm

Or by fWAR, he had a nine year stretch from 95-03 where he put up over 50 fWAR. Remarkably good, durable and consistent.
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Postby NonProfitCow » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:36 pm

Edgar and Vlad, but no Larry Walker?
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Postby Tim » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:39 pm

NonProfitCow wrote:Edgar and Vlad, but no Larry Walker?

Easy to justify with a Coors penalty, even if inaccurate.
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Postby Rob » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:07 pm

Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Schilling
Walker

This is the only acceptable ballot. Sheffield, Guerrero, and Sosa are all a step behind Walker. And voting for closers is dumb, especially when there's a logjam of deserving candidates and a stupid 10 person per ballot limit.
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Re: Starting next year all HOF votes will be made public

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:13 pm

vance_the_cubs_fan wrote:
Tim wrote:
vance_the_cubs_fan wrote:
Yeah this has to be one of the worst ballots cast.

It's not that bad if you're willing to take anyone connected with steroids off the list.

I'm not, though. So I consider his ballot to be horrendous. Any submission that doesn't include Bonds should be thrown out.


And even excluding steroids...Mike Mussina? Seriously?

He has a career war of 82 (bWAR 82.7, fWAR 82.2). He's more than deserving, that's more WAR than 52 pitchers in the HOF already. His 82 career WAR puts him in the range of the likes of Bob Gibson (81.9), Fergie Jenkins (82.8), Nolan Ryan (83.9) and Steve Carlton (84.1). He belongs.
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Re: Starting next year all HOF votes will be made public

Postby profisme » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:42 am

Schilling just tweeted back at me to say that he doesn't "need" the writers' votes. I just said it was stupid for him to RT the lynching journalists t-shirt pic. Fun.
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Re: Starting next year all HOF votes will be made public

Postby David » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:29 pm

I am mostly pleased with Chris DeLuca's ballot

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Re: Starting next year all HOF votes will be made public

Postby OleMissCub » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:25 pm

Excellent. That's identical to mine.
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Re: Starting next year all HOF votes will be made public

Postby Derwood » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:28 pm

For some reason I think it's hilarious that the official HoF ballot is a xerox of something that was thrown together in 3 minutes in Word. I don't know why I would think it would be any more complicated than that, but it doesn't look terribly official
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